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Adventurer

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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: 13 pct of Americans not heard of global warming |
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13 pct of Americans not heard of global warming: report 39 minutes ago
OSLO (Reuters) - Thirteen percent of Americans have never heard of global warming even though their country is the world's top source of greenhouse gases, a 46-country survey showed on Monday.
The report, by ACNielsen of more than 25,000 Internet users, showed that 57 percent of people around the world considered global warming a "very serious problem" and a further 34 percent rated it a "serious problem."
"It has taken extreme and life-threatening weather patterns to finally drive the message home that global warming is happening and is here to stay unless a concerted, global effort is made to reverse it," said Patrick Dodd, the President of ACNielsen Europe.
People in Latin America were most worried while U.S. citizens were least concerned with just 42 percent rating global warming "very serious."
[I guess those people never watch the news or read a newspaper.
I wish they gave us the background of that group.]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070129/us_nm/globalwarming_survey_dc |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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You mean only 87 percent know about global warming?
Must contrast with all those other, anything-but-America countries where 100 percent of the citizenry know everything about everything... |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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I had read that China and India both have surpassed the US in the GH emissions arena?
I would suspect that article on many levels, It was probably written by an eco-lawyer.
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
You mean only 87 percent know about global warming?
Must contrast with all those other, anything-but-America countries where 100 percent of the citizenry know everything about everything... |
Yes, the article didn't go into detail as to who these 13% of the population are and the figure was not contrasted with other countries. Including it, was sloppy journalism. An earlier article showed more Americans concerned about global warming than in the past. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: 13 pct of Americans not heard of global warming |
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OSLO (Reuters) - Thirteen percent of Americans have never heard of global warming even though their country is the world's top source of greenhouse gases, a 46-country survey showed on Monday.
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That says it all. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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The figures are probaly more like this:
heard of global warming 87%
Understand it 10 %
Still want to hang onto my suv 95% |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
...the article didn't go into detail as to who... |
In all seriousness, these people are almost certainly the Deliverance people. Probably do not read or vote.
Not being flip. But who cares, then, what they know or do not know on environmentalism?
And, as my first post here suggests: there are at least a similar percentage of these Deliverance people in any country, city, or neighborhood. Why focus on them as representative of anything other than their own socioeconomic group?
By the way, you are in South Korea, right? Do you think all those ajummas and stumbling-drunk ajoshis you see daily are comparing, contrasting, or even just discussing competing global warming analysis, or passing on the latest in cutting-edge environmental politics with each other...? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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God damn it Gopher. Who cares if those Koreans know about global warming, they are but merely the victim. What euro-wussy would ever ask WWKD? No. Only Americans must have 100% full knowledge on every issue. And the fact that 13% don't know about "global warming" is the result of your capitalist "for profit" education system.
But seriously, when it is snowing in Malibu and Phoenix, Americans can be forgiven for wondering if 1) environmentalists have even the slightest clue when making long term predictions and 2) if global warming might be the wrong term. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Adventurer wrote: |
...the article didn't go into detail as to who... |
In all seriousness, these people are almost certainly the Deliverance people. Probably do not read or vote.
Not being flip. But who cares, then, what they know or do not know on environmentalism?
And, as my first post here suggests: there are at least a similar percentage of these Deliverance people in any country, city, or neighborhood. Why focus on them as representative of anything other than their own socioeconomic group?
By the way, you are in South Korea, right? Do you think all those ajummas and stumbling-drunk ajoshis you see daily are comparing, contrasting, or even just discussing competing global warming analysis, or passing on the latest in cutting-edge environmental politics with each other...? |
South Koreans probably know far less about the world than the people of many countries with a similar standard of living. I do think it is important that almost all the citizens of any country know about such a serious issue but the article doesn't mention the rates in Latin America just how they vary in some ways with the U.S. in terms of looking at climate change.
So, in a sense, the article is very skewed and too biased and not presenting facts in a balanced manner. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
...doesn't mention the rates in Latin America... |
Just to give you a taste of some Latin Americans' perceptions: none of the Chileans I know, except for those Chilean intellectuals I interact with, draw any distinctions between Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Thai, and any number of East Asian countries -- even Japan. Just as many Americans see Hispanics as "Mexicans," so too do many Latin Americans see East Asians as "los chinos."
By the way, many Peruvians know the Japanese-born Fujimori as "el chino."
Articles that focus on Americans' ignorance about the world, then, have always struck me as pretexts for antiAmericanism.
The world is ignorant. And, yes, America exists in the world and produces its fair share of ignorance. But why not start by recognizing that instead of the usual scapegoating...? |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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oh that global warming INC thing...
I've heard of it....
question is, have YOU heard of any of the following??? this is just from the last month...
free your minds kids....and the rest will follow.....
* Heavy Snow in Spain - 29 Jan 07 - The image most people will conjure up when
you mention the south of Spain or the Costa del Sol is one of lying by the pool with
the warm summer sun beating down. How different things have been over the last
few days!
The Granada region received several inches of snow Friday night, while residents of
the city of Murcia awoke Saturday morning to a thick blanket of snow - more than
half a meter.
A low of 1C was reported at Malaga Saturday night while the northern town of
Fuenterrabia shivered in temperatures as low as (-9C), very close to the record low
of (-10C). The average minimum temperature for this area is around 6 to 7C.
The stormy weather also affected the Canary Islands, with the island of El Herrio
worst hit by heavy rain. The president of the island called it the worst natural disaster
in its history.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/29012007news.shtml
* 28 Jan 07 - Here's an e-mail that I received today from Lisbon.
Hi Robert,
Just thought you would like to know that today it snowed AGAIN in Lisbon,
almost exactly one year after last year's snow.
And before that there were 52 years with no snow!
It�s now noon and the temperature is 3,5�C, about 10�C less than the January
maximum average��
Regards
Filipe Lucas
* Snow and ice bring chaos to Spain and Germany
28 Jan 07 - On Friday morning the mercury fell to a shivering (-6C) [21F] at Granada,
Andaluc�a, Spain, a place many people associate with baking summer holidays. Even in
Malaga on the Costa Del Sol, temperatures dipped to a chilly 1C (34F) on Saturday night.
Snow brought traffic to a standstill near Almeria and Puerto Lumbreras, and more than
30,000 lost power in Andalucia after heavy snow and strong winds brought down power
cables. The city of Murcia was blanketed in more than half a meter of snow, while the
Granada area was also hit by heavy snow.
In Munich, temperatures fell to (-14C) 7F.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/28012007news.shtml
* Two month�s rain in 36 hours in Mozambique
22 Jan 07 - A severe cloudburst dumped 17.6 inches of rain in 36 hours on the
city of Quelimane, nearly in the middle of the long Mozambique coastline �
nearly twice the average rainfall for the entire month of January.
http://premiuma.accuweather.com/adcbin/premium/news-regional.asp?region=worldnews&mont h=01&year=2007&date=2007-01-22_1954
Thanks to skier Ken for this link.
* Winter finally arrives in Europe
24 Jan 07 - Cold weather and blizzards have begun to descend on many areas
of Europe, more noticeably the Alpine ski resorts. The Galacia area of northwest
Spain was slammed on Monday with several inches of snow and bringing chaos to travel.
Parts of southern Austria experienced heavy snowfall last night �� up to a meter -
leaving nearly 300 lorries stuck on the roads overnight.
Heavy snow also fell in neighbouring Czech Republic, where snow closed the main
highway between Prague and the eastern city of Brno. More heavy snow is forecast
for the city today.
Blizzards also buffeted the Alps. The resort of Grand Saint Bernard in Switzerland
reported nearly half a meter of snow in just 12 hours.
The UK has also been feeling an icy blast in the last few days with snowfall well
above average in the resorts. The Cairngorms report 50cm on their upper slopes
and 15cm on the lower.
Heavy snow is forecast for southeast England later today and tonight, with Kent,
Sussex and Surrey likely to be worst hit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/24012007news.shtml
* Europe surveys deadly billion-dollar storm
47 dead, more than two million lose power
21 Jan 07 - Wind gusts up to 112 mph knocked out electricity to more than
one million homes in the Czech Republic. One million households in Germany
and tens of thousands of homes in Poland and Austria also lost power.
Insured losses are estimated at $1.3 billion in Germany, at $207 million in the
Netherlands, and hundreds of millions in Britain.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16687660/
* Worst Atlantic storm system in 17 years hits the UK
19 Jan 07 - The storm brought wind gusts in excess of 80mph to the western
point of the Isle of Wight and to Aberdaron on the Lleyn Peninsula in Wales.
The winds quickly strengthened across the rest of England and Wales through
the morning, with wind gusts up to 99mph.
Although Scotland managed to escape the worst of the wind, it did see heavy
snowfall. Almost half a meter (45 cm) of snow fell on the upper slopes of the
Cairngorms in the east, while the Nevis Range in the west has 42cm on its upper
slopes. Snow also settled in the Central belt of Scotland and across northern England.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/19012007news.shtml
* Storm batters the UK
18 Jan 07 - A deep area of low pressure swept in from the Atlantic
early Thursday bringing chaos across the country. Many train operators
reduced their services, with GNER running a reduced service between
London and Edinburgh. Ferry crossings from Dover were cancelled
after wind speeds reached 60mph along the Kent coast.
Snow, wind and icy roads made the morning commute hazardous on
the M62, which crosses the Pennines in Yorkshire. Several inches of
snow also closed the A9 in the Highlands last night between Dalwhinnie
and Blair Atholl. More snow fell in the Highlands area this morning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/18012007news.shtml
* Snow hits central China affecting 878,000 people
More than 1,000 houses collapse under the weight
Xinhua � 16 Jan 06 - Heavy snow since Monday has crippled parts of central China's
Hubei Province, disrupting the lives of 878,000 people and causing 1,002 houses to collapse,
according to the provincial civil affairs department.
The depth of the snow, which seriously affected 10 cities and counties in southeast Hubei,
including Wuhan, the provincial capital, was five to ten centimeters. In some mountainous
regions, the depth reached 30 cm (11.8 inches). (I�m guessing that the houses weren�t
very sturdy.)
Another 2,424 houses were reportedly damaged in the snow and many roads cut off,
communication networks were down and power supplies disrupted.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/16/content_5614762.htm
Thanks to Martin Hoer for this link
* Coldest December on record in parts of New Zealand
13 Jan 06 - Many places around the country, from Kaitaia to Kaikoura and
Arthurs Pass, had their coldest Decembers on record as mean temperatures
reached up to 3C below normal. The average temperature in Auckland was
16C, 2.1C lower than usual, and at12.7C Wellington endured the coldest
December in more than 70 years.
Christchurch was 2 times wetter than normal. Parts of Canterbury and Otago
also had above-average rainfall and Middlemarch had its wettest December
on record.
Pukekohe (4.4C), Christchurch airport (0.1C) and Manapouri, West Arm (-0.6)
all had record low temperatures. New Plymouth, Wanganui and Blenheim had their
coldest December in at least 60 years.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=000B339E-906B-159B-84EA83027AF1010F
Thanks to Pat (Bluedog) in New Zealand for this link
* Punjab temperatures drop to a record low
7 Jan 07 - Punjab froze Saturday as temperatures dropped below zero. Adampur suffered the most,
with temperatures plummeting to minus 3.8C, six degrees below normal. Ludhiana registered a low
of minus 1.4C, a record at seven degrees below normal, Amritsar dropped to1.3C, five below normal,
Patiala plunged to 0.2C, seven below normal, and Chandigarh dropped to 0C, seven below normal.
Many places in Haryana also saw biting cold. Ambala registered a low of 1.4 C, six below normal.
Karnal dropped to 2C, five below normal, and Narnaul dropped to 3C.
The MET Department in Chandigarh was at a loss to explain what was causing the mercury to drop
over the past few days. (I have some thoughts.)
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200701070313.htm
* Heavy snow in northern Japan - 8 Jan 07 - The Abashiri prefecture reports around 50cm of snow
(half a meter), while the more mountainous areas report up to 155cm (one-and-a-half meters plus).
Snow also left many towns and villages in Hokkaido buried under several inches of snow. Winds
during the storm reached nearly 110mph tearing off roofs and bringing down power lines, leaving
many thousands without power.
More than 170 flights in and out of Chubu airport in Aichi, near Nagoya, were cancelled due to the
high winds along with many of the high speed �bullet� trains, as snow buried the tracks.
Many areas are still under strong wind and heavy snow warnings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/08012007news.shtml
* Winter chill kills 80 in northern India
7 Jan 07 -Cold weather across northern and eastern India has killed at least
80 people in the past week, forcing authorities to close schools and colleges
and deliver firewood to the homeless.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/07012007news.shtml |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman's confusion about climate change has just illustrated exactly why we need to stop calling it 'global warming'. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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I submit that we are probably stuck with "global warming," Gang ah jee, just as we are stuck with "Indians." |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I am no expert on this subject, but I understand that it does not mean every place in the world will experience global warming. However, as I understand, in general, the trend in Spain is that the southern part of the country is getting warmer and so is southern England. Parts of northern Canada are getting quite warm and also the same for Alaska. We can definitely say there are relatively rapid changes on the ground due to global climate change. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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the climate has ALWAYS changed.....the hubris of modern man in this discussion is astounding.
to assume that any changes that may be taking place (as they have always done) being caused by Republican SUV-driving cigar-chomping Americans is the real fantasy. |
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