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Molly Ivins Dies

 
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Woland



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Molly Ivins Dies Reply with quote

Molly Ivins was one of my favorite political writers, not only because I agreed with her and we were right, but because she was witty to boot. I will miss reading her each week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/obit_ivins
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jinju



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Molly Ivins Dies Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
Molly Ivins was one of my favorite political writers, not only because I agreed with her and we were right, but because she was witty to boot. I will miss reading her each week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/obit_ivins


You actually use the phrase "to boot"?
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You actually use the phrase "to boot"?


What's with your problem with "to boot"?

Oh, and RIP Molly Ivins. I was reading a bit of her stuff during the Clinton years. Pretty good commentator.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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You actually use the phrase "to boot"?


What's with your problem with "to boot"?

Oh, and RIP Molly Ivins. I was reading a bit of her stuff during the Clinton years. Pretty good commentator.


To boot is straight out of your grandmother's adolescence.
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Woland



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
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You actually use the phrase "to boot"?


What's with your problem with "to boot"?

Oh, and RIP Molly Ivins. I was reading a bit of her stuff during the Clinton years. Pretty good commentator.


To boot is straight out of your grandmother's adolescence.


Some of us like our grandmothers. Some of us have respect for their linguistic knowledge. Cool
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, not surprised that "Shrub" outlived both Molly and Anne Richardson, but George Herbert still kicking around as well.

She was a funny lady, RIP.

here are a few of her more famous quips-

�"I'm sorry to say (cancer) can kill you but it doesn't make you a better person," she told the San Antonio Express-News in September 2006, the same month cancer claimed her friend former Gov. Ann Richards.

� "If you think his daddy had trouble with 'the vision thing,' wait'll you meet this one," Ivins on George W. Bush in "The Progressive," June 1999.

� "If left to my own devices, I'd spend all my time pointing out that he's weaker than bus-station chili," on Bill Clinton, from the introduction to You Got to Dance With Them What Brung You

�"Naturally, when it comes to voting, we in Texas are accustomed to discerning that fine hair's-breadth worth of difference that makes one hopeless dipstick slightly less awful than the other. But it does raise the question: Why bother?", in a 2002 column about a California political race.

� "The poor man who is currently our president has reached such a point of befuddlement that he thinks stem cell research is the same as taking human lives, but that 40,000 dead Iraqi civilians are progress toward democracy," from a July 2006 column urging commentator Bill Moyers to run for president.

� "Many people did not care for Pat Buchanan's speech; it probably sounded better in the original German," Ivins in September 1992, commenting on the one-time presidential hopeful's speech to the Republican National Convention.

� "I dearly love the state of Texas, but I consider that a harmless perversion on my part, and discuss it only with consenting adults," from a March 1992 column.

� "I love Texas, but it is a nasty old rawhide mother in the way it bears down on the people who have the fewest defenses," Ivins wrote in September 2002.

� "....our very own dreaded Legislature is almost upon us. Jan. 9 and they'll all be here, leaving many a village without its idiot," from a December 2000 column.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll miss Ms Ivins. She was a hoot. And a damn fine political writer.
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Woland



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
� "....our very own dreaded Legislature is almost upon us. Jan. 9 and they'll all be here, leaving many a village without its idiot," from a December 2000 column.


That's a favorite of mine. I think of it whenever any legislative body convenes.

Here's something from the NYTimes obit about one of her first columns for the Dallas Times Herald:

Katherine Q. Seelye in the NYTimes wrote:
But the [Dallas Times Herald], she said, promised to let her write whatever she wanted. When she declared of a congressman, �If his I.Q. slips any lower, we�ll have to water him twice a day,� many readers were appalled, and several advertisers boycotted the paper. In her defense, her editors rented billboards that read: �Molly Ivins Can�t Say That, Can She?� The slogan became the title of the first of her six books.
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Woland



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to Paul Krugman's tribute to her in the NYTimes:

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/opinion/02krugman.html?hp

He includes a series of quotes fromm her column in 2002/3 showing how she predicted quite accurately the mess we are in. Here's a sample:

Molly Ivins wrote:
Jan. 16, 2003: �I assume we can defeat Hussein without great cost to our side (God forgive me if that is hubris). The problem is what happens after we win. The country is 20 percent Kurd, 20 percent Sunni and 60 percent Shiite. Can you say, �Horrible three-way civil war?�


Krugman comments that prescience merely reflects the personal courage to tell the truth at a time when the environment didn't encourage that:

Paul Krugman wrote:
So Molly Ivins � who didn�t mingle with the great and famous, didn�t have sources high in the administration, and never claimed special expertise on national security or the Middle East � got almost everything right. Meanwhile, how did those who did have all those credentials do?

With very few exceptions, they got everything wrong. They bought the obviously cooked case for war � or found their own reasons to endorse the invasion. They didn�t see the folly of the venture, which was almost as obvious in prospect as it is with the benefit of hindsight. And they took years to realize that everything we were being told about progress in Iraq was a lie.

Was Molly smarter than all the experts? No, she was just braver. The administration�s exploitation of 9/11 created an environment in which it took a lot of courage to see and say the obvious.

Molly had that courage; not enough others can say the same.
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