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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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 Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: ...so the CIA *did* kill the kennedy boys |
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who would have thought that 'Mother' from the movie "Sneakers" might be right about something?
gotta start thinking twice about the moon landing and about Eisenhower trading advanced technology for cow lips.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm
ps-- if you haven't seen the movie "sneakers", you should. |
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Green Tea
Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Was Batman there too? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: Re: ...so the CIA *did* kill the kennedy boys |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
who would have thought that 'Mother' from the movie "Sneakers" might be right about something?
gotta start thinking twice about the moon landing and about Eisenhower trading advanced technology for cow lips.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm
ps-- if you haven't seen the movie "sneakers", you should. |
Good article. It takes someone or some news organization outside the United States to take a critical look at what really happened. More on this.
It happened nearly 38 years ago, but doubts and suspicions have lingered on. Now the circumstances surrounding the assassination of Robert Kennedy are being resurrected and re-examined in an attempt to establish the truth of what happened that night in the cramped pantry of a Los Angeles hotel.
New evidence has emerged and pressure is mounting on authorities to reopen the case of Sirhan Sirhan, who was convicted of the assassination and who remains in the California state prison in Corcoran.
Celebrities and journalists are joining the campaign for a federal investigation, which has been sparked in part by a new book, Nemesis, by the British author Peter Evans. Evans, who spent 10 years researching the book, has unearthed evidence to support Sirhan's contention that he was hypnotised into being the "fall guy" for the murder. Evans identifies the hypnotist, who had worked on CIA mind control programmes and who was later found dead in mysterious circumstances.
In another move to reopen the case, a lawsuit has been filed in Los Angeles Superior Court to stop the pantry at the Ambassador Hotel being destroyed with the rest of the hotel because, it is claimed, bullet holes in the walls and ceiling demonstrate conclusively that more than one gunman fired shots at Senator Kennedy.
Both Evans and Sirhan's lawyer, Larry Teeter, are convinced that the Palestinian activist was chosen to be a Manchurian Candidate-style assassin. In the 1962 film, remade last year, and based on a novel by Richard Condon, a former prisoner of war from the Korean conflict is brainwashed by Communists into becoming a political assassin.
Evans and Teeter believe that while Sirhan fired several shots, none of them hit Kennedy. The assassination, they say, was carried out by a professional hitman who fled immediately, leaving Sirhan to take the blame.
It was only because Kennedy had dismissed his Los Angeles police bodyguards that Sirhan survived and was not gunned down on the spot as his controllers had intended, reports Evans.
The actor Robert Vaughn, who starred in the long-running television series The Man From U.N.C.L.E and who was a good friend of Robert Kennedy's, has sent a copy of Evans' book to Sirhan and his lawyers. In his letter to Sirhan, Vaughn wrote: "It contains important new information about your case that I believe substantiates your claims of having been hypnotised at the time of the shooting and also produces the first credible evidence of motivation and method. I can tell you that, like me, important people in the US media are persuaded by Mr Evans' revelations; some are talking of it opening the door to a long overdue federal investigation into the assassination. I also believe that it could give you the grounds for a new appeal."
The author Dominick Dunne, in his Vanity Fair column last month, described Nemesis as presenting "a startling revision of American history".
Robert Kennedy was the senator for New York, the head of the Kennedy clan and, according to Evans, the occasional lover of his sister-in-law, Jackie Kennedy, when his snowballing presidential campaign rolled into California. He triumphed in the California primary, and around midnight on 5 June 1968 in the Embassy Room of the Ambassador Hotel he thanked his supporters. Then, surrounded by aides, hotel employees and newsmen, with his wife, Ethel, a few yards behind and with the cheers still ringing in his ears, he left for a press conference in the Colonial Room on the other side of the hotel.
The route they took, from the stage to an anteroom and into the service corridors, led them through a narrow serving-kitchen known as the pantry. As the senator approached, a dark, slim young man stepped from behind a tray rack. He raised a .22 calibre revolver and squeezed the trigger. The gunman continued firing, wounding five other people as Kennedy aides and hotel employees wrestled him down on to a table for steaming food, where he was held until police arrived.
On 17 April 1969, after 64 sequestered days and nights, and 16 and a half hours of deliberation, the jury of seven men and five women found Sirhan "alone and not in concert with anyone else" guilty of murder in the first degree. He was sentenced to death in the gas chamber, but the sentence was reduced to life imprisonment when the United States Supreme Court declared the death penalty unconstitutional.
Those facts are not in dispute. Nearly everything else is. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Don't forget the military-industrial complex! |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| I don't know about Robert but I thought it had been pretty conclusively proven the Oswald shot JFK. Maybe there is something to this but I'd rather if I could here different medical opinions on where the fatal shot came from. At the moment I'd say Sirhan did it because these types of theories are normally wrong. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Regicide is dancing around in his underwear right now. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| I don't know about Robert but I thought it had been pretty conclusively proven the Oswald shot JFK. Maybe there is something to this but I'd rather if I could here different medical opinions on where the fatal shot came from. At the moment I'd say Sirhan did it because these types of theories are normally wrong. |
Gerald Ford was appointed to the Warren Commission and he was seen as the FBI representative. Ford definitely provided Hoover with leaks about what was going on at meetings. He also was responsible for a major part of the cover-up.
The original first draft of the Warren Commission Report stated that a bullet had entered Kennedy's "back at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine." Ford realized that this provided a serious problem for the single bullet theory. As Michael L. Kutz has pointed out (The JFK Assassination Debates): "If a bullet fired from the sixth-floor window of the Depository building nearly sixty feet higher than the limousine entered the president's back, with the president sitting in an upright position, it could hardly have exited from his throat at a point just above the Adam's apple, then abruptly change course and drive downward into Governor Connally's back."
In 1997 the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) released a document that revealed that Ford had altered the first draft of the report to read: "A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine." Ford had elevated the location of the wound from its true location in the back to the neck to support the single bullet theory.
For a complete biography on Gerald Ford go to:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAfordG.htm
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Pligganease
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Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I think regicide did it, as stated before, and blames everyone else in order to detract from his own guilt. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| I think that there's a reasonable chance that conspiracies were involved in both cases ... |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| the CIA is *beep* and always has been since its inception |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Hells yeah. They planted crack in the ghetto and made AIDS |
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Corky
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| People still exist who think Oswald shot Kennedy? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| People still exist who think Oswald shot Kennedy? |
See this is it. Where's your proof? Where's all the people who would have been involved? I've seen a few movies/tv shows from both sides. the most convincing I saw was a BBC that showed that it was possible that Oswald did it. The point is prove it. I wil never believe a conspiracy theory until you can prove it. Tell me who shot JFK. Give me names, motives, evidence. If you are abkle to give it to me conclusively, somebody else would be able to prove it conclusively in a court of law.
People want to believe conspiracy theories because they are weak minded and don't believe you can get killed by wack jobs just like that. It's almost religious in the belief that there is some kind of masterplan/puppet master pulling strings when in reality there is none. Its all just random bollocks. People wil get killed by wack jobs, for any crappy reason. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| People still exist who think Oswald shot Kennedy? |
See this is it. Where's your proof? Where's all the people who would have been involved? I've seen a few movies/tv shows from both sides. the most convincing I saw was a BBC that showed that it was possible that Oswald did it. The point is prove it. I wil never believe a conspiracy theory until you can prove it. Tell me who shot JFK. Give me names, motives, evidence. If you are abkle to give it to me conclusively, somebody else would be able to prove it conclusively in a court of law.
People want to believe conspiracy theories because they are weak minded and don't believe you can get killed by wack jobs just like that. It's almost religious in the belief that there is some kind of masterplan/puppet master pulling strings when in reality there is none. Its all just random bollocks. People wil get killed by wack jobs, for any crappy reason. |
When I think of the proof that has been offered over and over, in the context of the reaction it received, it validates my own assertions that America has been drifting into an Orwellian culture where falsehood's can become facts and historical facts, if they do not jibe with the agenda of the powers that be, and become "reckless allegations," if it doesn�t square with what is being propagated by the erstwhile media. One could almost say that to be "chewed up" by the media or the public at large can be something of an acknowledgement that what one is saying or advocating [accompanied in a factual context] is perceived as dangerous, at least to the status quo.....that wonderful non-conspiratorial cocoon that most people love to live in.
Give me the evidence that Oswald did it. Not simply that the government and media say so, but facts that would prove his guilt in a court of law.
The Assassination Records Review Board report proves that the Warren Report�s single bullet theory report was fabricated to show Oswald�s guilt.
Furthermore, as I have already cited the Board�s conclusion. What more do you want?
The ARRB was an official governmental report on the assassination. Have you read any of these reports, or seen the Zapruder film, which shows a shot from the front? When you see the President being hit from the front with your own eyes, you are making a decision on your own. If you come out of it still thinking there was only one shooter , from above and behind, you would have to be blind.
Therefore, as one person has put it : "Anyone who still thinks that Oswald acted alone is either unfamiliar with the facts of the case, or cognitively impared" |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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I havn't seen any of those films. I do have some question. How can you believe a government apointed board but still believe the Government is covering up? Could this goverment appointed board just have been set up to sidetrack you from a much bigger issue? Think about it. 
As far as I know more than half of the people in the US believe that Oswald didn't shoot JFK. Also a majority of Americans believe in conspiracy theories. You are not in the minority. I think most people just want to believe this knd of stuff.
As regards this Zapruder film, there is a guy with a gun in the film, that we can see shooting Kennedy from the front? Really? |
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