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pglunatic



Joined: 26 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:42 pm    Post subject: Question for Canadians in or just come back from Korea Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm thinking of teaching english abroad in either Taiwan or Korea next year. I was wondering if you had to pay taxes in canada on what you save abroad. In other words, its nice that taxes are low abroad but if you have to pay canadian taxes then that affects how much you can save and those low taxes are kinda moot...

Thanks,

Phil
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NickRandom



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2003 8:00 pm    Post subject: Canadians and Non-Residency Reply with quote

Canadians paying taxes on overseas income is a common question here, and I'm not going to go into detail rehashing something that's been done to death. Basically, it all depends on if you can claim "non-resident" status or not. For further information, you can check out the "taxes" page of my own website, and you should also read the article posted below:

www.canadiansresidentabroad.com/issues/summer02/article02.html

Good luck!
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pglunatic



Joined: 26 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2003 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, thanks!
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IconsFanatic



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wondering what fellow Canadians have chosen to do. Become a non-resident? Remain a resident and pay tax? Remain a resident and claim only a fraction of your true income?

Cheers.
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jsmac



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Gangwon-do

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iconsfanatic:

My plan is to declare nonresidency, and if CCRA rejects my claim for some reason, to not declare my income.
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Captain Obvious 2.0



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jsmac wrote:
Iconsfanatic:

My plan is to declare nonresidency, and if CCRA rejects my claim for some reason, to not declare my income.

Korea and Canada share income tax information. Thus if Revenue Canada rejects your nonresidency claim, they will look in your passport to see where you've been. Plus it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that a person away for a long time probably has been working. Not to mention that your passport will have a work visa stamped in it.

Anyway, Revenure Canada emails the Korean tax office and says they require the information as to how much your reported income was here.

If that doesn't match up what you reported, then you're in a world of hurt. Not only will you owe the tax money anyway, you will pay a substantial fine, risk a little jailtime (as you will be considered a flight risk), risk having many of your assets seized, your bank accounts will be frozen, and all sorts of lovely activities.

It's just better to ensure you qualify for non-residency. THe world is a happier place.
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Hotuk



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you're square with the rules, there's no need to fill out the NR-73 "non residency" form. Don't declare your Korean income - you're under no obligation as a non-resident to do so.

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Korea and Canada share income tax information. Thus if Revenue Canada rejects your nonresidency claim, they will look in your passport to see where you've been.


The rules are not as vague as people have made them out to be. Several all residential ties to Canada, don't own property, etc., and you've satisfied the tax people. Their list of "secondary ties" (bank account, health card,etc) can also be used against you, but it's the primary ones that will get you into trouble. Don't hold any of those, and very few secondary ones, and they won't reject you in an audit.

One more thing - be aware that the two-year rule is a thing of the past. This is neither good nor bad. It means you can no longer assume shelter after being abroad for two years, but it also means that it's possible to be a non-resident having been away for a total of less than two years and satisfied their regulations.

Finally, the NR-73 form is not a requirement for holding non-residency status in any way. It merely solicits the opinion of the tax people, and is non-binding (meaning, they can change their minds... the positive letter back gives you no legal protection). It provides some people with comfort. But I think it's better to take comfort from reading the rules thoroughly and knowing I'm square with them.

Read the rules.
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pglunatic



Joined: 26 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I just talked about it with my tax law teacher (I'm a law student...I was just impatient the other day)

The best, if the country you're going to has lower taxes (as most do..) than canada, is try to qualify for non-residency. DON'T send in an NR-73. The NR-73 is analyzed by a computer and doesn't take much to qualify you as a resident, you're much better off pleading your point with a government employee when the time comes. When abroad DON'T declare your taxes AS A NON-RESIDENT of that country!! You must be a resident of somewhere, if you're not a resident of Korea/Taiwan/etc during the work year, you're a resident of Canada.

The government looks for some evidence of residence:
If you have family staying behind in Canada (children, wife/husband) it'll be very hard (read: next to impossible) to convince them that you're not a resident of Canada.

They look for other factors (drivers license, bank account, credit cards, etc.) but if you've completed a tax declaration abroad as a resident of that country without any major links to Canada, you're pretty safe.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this still the case?
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But...you can't have been in Canada for longer than 6 months in any given tax year to declare non-residency, right? For example, if I came to Korea in August, I'd still have to pay taxes on that August-December income that I made in Korea.
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jewelz



Joined: 25 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am quite jaded about Canada's tax sytem. Firstly, why the heck would you come to Korea to teach English if you had assets, investments, real estate etc., back home. Revenue Canada are a bunch of crooks anyways. I am definately not someone who believes in following the rules. They just take money you do not have. I would'nt have left Canada if the tax system was normal to begin with. Work to pay 40-50% of your income to fatten the government coffers and finance the country. Of course anyone in their right mind should claim "non-residency" status. For example, my friend's mother is a social worker working abroad in London. She owns a mediocre 'condo' in Canada. Becuase she has a mortgage she has to pay tax to Canada and to England. I think it is ridiculous that she works so hard and pays 'double' tax just to hang onto a shimmer of hope that she will still have her home. This is especially true for divorcees or single parents. How do you think corporations became so rich, they are legally allowed to evade their taxes...
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jewelz wrote:
I am quite jaded about Canada's tax sytem. Firstly, why the heck would you come to Korea to teach English if you had assets, investments, real estate etc., back home. Revenue Canada are a bunch of crooks anyways. I am definately not someone who believes in following the rules. They just take money you do not have. I would'nt have left Canada if the tax system was normal to begin with. Work to pay 40-50% of your income to fatten the government coffers and finance the country. Of course anyone in their right mind should claim "non-residency" status. For example, my friend's mother is a social worker working abroad in London. She owns a mediocre 'condo' in Canada. Becuase she has a mortgage she has to pay tax to Canada and to England. I think it is ridiculous that she works so hard and pays 'double' tax just to hang onto a shimmer of hope that she will still have her home. This is especially true for divorcees or single parents. How do you think corporations became so rich, they are legally allowed to evade their taxes...


Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, Canada has a tax treaty with some countries, including Korea (not sure about England). This means that whatever you pay in tax to Korea, get's taken off the amount you pay to Canada. At least it's something!
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not claimed tax exempt status in Canada, but I have it. In 7 years a total of two weeks in Canada. Other connections 2 of my four kids are there. I will likely go back when I retire.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just dodged the question while I was away, and sent my paperwork off for non residency for the years when I was away- when I got back. Still waitinig on a response, but I'll report back in when I get the paperwork back.


For reference, the only assets I had were things like a drivers licence and a bank acct for student loans to be withdrawn from.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't told the government of Canada a thing for over five years and nothing's come of it. Go away, come back, don't pay for or file for or say anything about Korea. For all the gov't knows you were on holiday for a year. *beep* Canada.
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