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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:02 am Post subject: Korean xenophobia |
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Found this on another bulletin titled Korean Xenophobia: Ever Been Discriminated by Koreans in NY
writerwriter Posted � 7/16/2003 10:40:42 AM | show profile | email poster
My neighborhood has, over the past 10 years, become predominately Korean. For various reasons, this has caused a huge amount of strife for residents, business owners, etc, Korean and Caucasian alike. There is conflict, alienation, resentment from both sides. Our cultures are very different, and we have different social morees (sp?). These changes have not made living here all that pleasant, and many of the original residents have sold their long-owned homes and moved away because their neighborhoods became so unfamiliar and because they have felt increasingly unwelcome.
I'll be glad to talk with you off board.
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Cthulhu

Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Well, there you go. I can't dispute this one--the anonymous one has spoken. Someone typing on a bulletin board about New York makes the definitive comment about Koreans.
Aside from the fact it's a mini-rant (and that's being generous), what the hell is the point of this?!? |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Cthulhu

Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Seeing the whole thread in context definitely helped.
Did the guy have a hard time where he is? Perhaps. He seemed to be reasonable, if nothing else. But if that is the definitive comment about Koreans I'd hate to think of what the definitive comment is about caucasians when checking out the idiocy posted to yahoo news or the Korean groups on usenet.
I can hardly take it any more seriously than the thousands of knuckleheads who post to yahoo when a news story comes up about North Korea and the idiots post about dogs and "chinks" and other quite nasty stuff. The stuff about blacks can be much worse.
The comment by the original poster makes it seem someone has an axe to grind:
If you've been discriminated against by Korean business owners in the NYC-area, I'd like to interview you.
Maybe there are problems. The poster you mention is Jewish and has a hard time with the Koreans moving in. I'm sure there are some problems. Same as the Blacks and Jews, Hispanics and Whites, Whites and everybody else. Etc. In a place like NYC there's bound to be tension. |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Well I am not surprised by this in the least. Koreans in general figure in race into amost all situations. And in the States they stick to each other like glue, and wonder why things aren't as normal for them as it is for some Japanese dude or chick having fun in the wider mainstream of society. They realy bring this onto themselves. |
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Cthulhu

Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Weatherman wrote:
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Well I am not surprised by this in the least. Koreans in general figure in race into amost all situations. And in the States they stick to each other like glue, and wonder why things aren't as normal for them as it is for some Japanese dude or chick having fun in the wider mainstream of society. They realy bring this onto themselves. |
But how many Japanese do you see in mainstream society? The open-minded Japanese kids paid to study for 6 months on mom and dad's account don't exactly count. Most of the Japanese restaurants I see are run be Koreans.
According to the 2000 census there are almost 300,000 more Koreans in America than Japanese and it shows. I would guess that the number of Japanese outside the West Coast (excepting NY) is pretty small. In comparison with Koreans and Chinese, Japanese don't usually leave their own country to emigrate, and I think a lot can be read into that fact as well. I think somebody's sticking even tighter like glue...
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/dp1/2kh00.pdf |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:06 am Post subject: |
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But how many Japanese do you see in mainstream society? The open-minded Japanese kids paid to study for 6 months on mom and dad's account don't exactly count. Most of the Japanese restaurants I see are run be Koreans.
According to the 2000 census there are almost 300,000 more Koreans in America than Japanese and it shows. I would guess that the number of Japanese outside the West Coast (excepting NY) is pretty small. In comparison with Koreans and Chinese, Japanese don't usually leave their own country to emigrate, and I think a lot can be read into that fact as well. I think somebody's sticking even tighter like glue... |
Well my impression from knowing both Koreans and Japanese during univeristy is that the Japanese students were a lot more open about having cultural experiences in the States than the Korean students. I wont go against your opinion and see your point very clearly. |
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Cthulhu

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree with you about the university students--apparently the younger generation has latched onto the West very quickly--too quickly, some might say--whereas the older generation seems quite conservative by comparison (see Japanese politics for an example). |
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Dan

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:50 am Post subject: |
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here's a stark contrast:
The japanese government has for a long time encouraged its citizens to go and see the world, and the japanese people are one of top tourists to other nations.
Korea on the other hand has the "Let's see my country first" campaign. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Dan the man,
You forget that Japan is the second richest nation on the planet and that its citizens can much better afford to travel.
Korea is getting richer and as this happens koreans travel more and more.
Also, japanese citizens are not that open to outsiders and when they travel its usually in short, intensive and highly organised tours. They do very little "interacting" with outsiders on their trips.
My brother used to work for tour companies in Canada during the fall ( the bastard speaks japanese ) and the big japanese tours came to see the colors. Everything was planned and scheduled down to the second..not much interacting there.
I think Japanese and Koreans are equally xenophobic, they just show it in a different way due to cultural norms. |
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Cthulhu

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Homer wrote:
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I think Japanese and Koreans are equally xenophobic, they just show it in a different way due to cultural norms. |
Very true, I think. |
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