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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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 Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: Another Hollywood Atrocity! |
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Look. I ain't a conservative guy. I just call them like I see them.
Hollywood just released another film. It's called Hounddog. This film depicts a 12-year-old actress being raped. The actresses' name is Dakota Fanning. I saw it tonight on Hannity and Combes.
I find that utterly reprehensible.
What happened to the creativity of film-makers?
In 1931, one of the best films in history was made. It was called M and directed by Fritz Lang. Its leading man was Peter Lorre.
This film took on a lot of very tough issues about child abuse. But the director didn't have to show that kind of crap in all its ugliness.
He hinted at it. Anyone who sees the film knows what's going on. But he doesn't display it in graphic detail.
I'm not a socially conservative cat. I love drinking; I love naked women; I love good banter.
Hell, one could even call me evil. Sometimes Satan comes in the middle of the night to ask me for advice.
But why does Hollywood have to sink to this disgusting level? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds pretty horrible, but I'd need to see the film first before I judged it. Is it just entertaining and tillilating a fascinated audience, or is it actually going to make people so sickened that they truly appreciate the horror of child abuse in a way they previously didn't? If it's the mostly the latter, it might not be such a bad thing. I wonder how the young actresss feels about it though.. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds pretty horrible, but I'd need to see the film first before I judged it. Is it just entertaining and tillilating a fascinated audience, or is it actually going to make people so sickened that they truly appreciate the horror of child abuse in a way they previously didn't? If it's the mostly the latter, it might not be such a bad thing. I wonder how the young actresss feels about it though.. |
No offense, but that's disgusting.
I'm a daddy. No way I'd ever let a child of mine--at the age of twelve--do a scene getting raped.
I hope society hasn't come to this. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| It sounds pretty horrible, but I'd need to see the film first before I judged it. Is it just entertaining and tillilating a fascinated audience, or is it actually going to make people so sickened that they truly appreciate the horror of child abuse in a way they previously didn't? If it's the mostly the latter, it might not be such a bad thing. I wonder how the young actresss feels about it though.. |
No offense, but that's disgusting.
I'm a daddy. No way I'd ever let a child of mine--at the age of twelve--do a scene getting raped.
I hope society hasn't come to this. |
Well, actually I do feel uncomfortable about that too. But again, I don't know how the director and crew went about it. They may have consulted psychologists and what have you, and done it very ethically. It may be that the scene looks sufficiently traumatic, but that the actress was very comfortable doing the scene. I don't know.
Still, she might feel very uncomfortable when she watched the scene later.
Janet Leigh had no problem doing the shower scene in Psycho. It was only after she saw the film that she had a phobia of taking showers. |
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otis
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| It sounds pretty horrible, but I'd need to see the film first before I judged it. Is it just entertaining and tillilating a fascinated audience, or is it actually going to make people so sickened that they truly appreciate the horror of child abuse in a way they previously didn't? If it's the mostly the latter, it might not be such a bad thing. I wonder how the young actresss feels about it though.. |
No offense, but that's disgusting.
I'm a daddy. No way I'd ever let a child of mine--at the age of twelve--do a scene getting raped.
I hope society hasn't come to this. |
Well, actually I do feel uncomfortable about that too. But again, I don't know how the director and crew went about it. They may have consulted psychologists and what have you, and done it very ethically. It may be that the scene looks sufficiently traumatic, but that the actress was very comfortable doing the scene. I don't know.
Still, she might feel very uncomfortable when she watched the scene later.
Janet Leigh had no problem doing the shower scene in Psycho. It was only after she saw the film that she had a phobia of taking showers. |
Janet Leigh was a grown woman.
This child is twelve. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| If white supremacists use American History X as a recruiting tool, then pedophiles can use this movie to get off. |
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otis
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| If white supremacists use American History X as a recruiting tool, then pedophiles can use this movie to get off. |
It goes to the culture.
I mean, are we all a bunch of pigs.
It goes far beyond racism. |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Its all more "pushing of the envelope". IT used to be that the limits of film and media were pushed so as to shock the audience into moving against various injustices, but you are right in that it was largely hinted at. Now, shocking disturbing scenes are largely added to boost box office revenue and reviews. I immediately think of 3 examples, not the best, but servicable.
Night of the living dead- the original black and white. I know, this is not what many of you consider shocking, but when you consider that it was a film made by a mexican director which showed a (hinted) romance between a black man and a white woman, it becomes shocking at the time. Furthermore, the method at which the black protagonist dies at the end (lynched by white hunters, AFTER the zombies are dead) the social commentary is gone.
Requiem for a dream- I consider this a middle ground as it shows both graphic visual horror as well as a upfront meaning.
Kids- Many people will hate me for this as is it was critically acclaimed, but showing AIDS, drug use, and graphic rape of underage children was a bit disturbing. Note, I would have mentioned the director's far worse film, Gummo, but I doubt many saw it. |
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peony
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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the singer lee jung hyun's first movie shows her getting raped, sexually abused repeatedly, she was quite young when she made the movie, not sure how old exactly, the movie was called 'kkot nip' and she played a girl that became mentally disturbed when she saw her mom getting killed in the kwangju massacre
that was one truly disturbing movie |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Well, actually I do feel uncomfortable about that too. But again, I don't know how the director and crew went about it. They may have consulted psychologists and what have you, and done it very ethically. It may be that the scene looks sufficiently traumatic, but that the actress was very comfortable doing the scene. I don't know.
Still, she might feel very uncomfortable when she watched the scene later.
Janet Leigh had no problem doing the shower scene in Psycho. It was only after she saw the film that she had a phobia of taking showers. |
Janet Leigh was a grown woman.
This child is twelve. |
From your response, I don't think you understood my point. If anything I was conceding that even if the child was comfortable with shooting the scene, seeing herself in the film itself might still be traumatic. Janet Leigh's experience was given as an example. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
Well, actually I do feel uncomfortable about that too. But again, I don't know how the director and crew went about it. They may have consulted psychologists and what have you, and done it very ethically. It may be that the scene looks sufficiently traumatic, but that the actress was very comfortable doing the scene. I don't know.
Still, she might feel very uncomfortable when she watched the scene later.
Janet Leigh had no problem doing the shower scene in Psycho. It was only after she saw the film that she had a phobia of taking showers. |
Janet Leigh was a grown woman.
This child is twelve. |
From your response, I don't think you understood my point. If anything I was conceding that even if the child was comfortable with shooting the scene, seeing herself in the film itself might still be traumatic. Janet Leigh's experience was given as an example. |
It's not that. I understood you.
But what makes me sad is that we are such a bunch of relatavists that the idea of a 12-year-old actress getting raped on film is ok.
What happened to the world?
You certainly wouldn't see this kind of filth in the Far East.
Maybe the Chinese should take over the world. God knows I'm losing faith in my own country day by day. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Another Hollywood Atrocity! |
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| otis wrote: |
Look. I ain't a conservative guy. I just call them like I see them.
Hollywood just released another film. It's called Hounddog. This film depicts a 12-year-old actress being raped. The actresses' name is Dakota Fanning. I saw it tonight on Hannity and Combes.
I find that utterly reprehensible.
What happened to the creativity of film-makers?
In 1931, one of the best films in history was made. It was called M and directed by Fritz Lang. Its leading man was Peter Lorre.
This film took on a lot of very tough issues about child abuse. But the director didn't have to show that kind of crap in all its ugliness.
He hinted at it. Anyone who sees the film knows what's going on. But he doesn't display it in graphic detail.
I'm not a socially conservative cat. I love drinking; I love naked women; I love good banter.
Hell, one could even call me evil. Sometimes Satan comes in the middle of the night to ask me for advice.
But why does Hollywood have to sink to this disgusting level? |
Otis, you`re so pathetic it would be funny if it weren`t so sad... |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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I think I remember a movie called "Lipstick" back when I was kid where a young teen was raped. Wasn't that something like what you're talking about?
Edit - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074802/
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| Plot Summary: Composer Chris Saradon brutaly rapes fashion model, goes to trial, gets freed, comes back and rapes her little sister. She takes revenge. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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No one really has any outrage these days, do they?
12-year-old girl depicted getting raped on film. Screw it. That's fine.
I'm giving up the fight and welcoming the Chinese. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Yes, because Asians really love and respect the sanctity of young girl's right to be innocent.
You are joking right?
However I may feel about this film, does not justify the fact that you are dumping on the west while ignoring the plethora of same or worse examples of this type of stuff in Asia. IF this stuff bothers you so much, then you should be the biggest lampooner against "asian values" and not be so myopic as to let isolated incidents skew your whole worldview. |
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