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Repercussions of Visiting North Korea?
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Rockwell Bergstrom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Repercussions of Visiting North Korea? Reply with quote

Does anyone know if there are any repercussions for visiting North Korea from either South Korea or the United States?

I am entertaining the idea of doing the Koryo Tour in August for Americans.

http://www.koryogroup.com/
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: Repercussions of Visiting North Korea? Reply with quote

Rockwell Bergstrom wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any repercussions for visiting North Korea from either South Korea or the United States?

I am entertaining the idea of doing the Koryo Tour in August for Americans.

http://www.koryogroup.com/


I took a Geumgang Mountain tour a couple years ago - no repercussion so far~

Peace
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Rockwell Bergstrom



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Koryo Tour is to Pyongyang via China. The Geumgang tour is not of interest to me right now.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could be blocked from entering South Korea, and I'm sure you could be deported to Sudan for torture if the Americans catch you. When you go through North Korean customs, they staple a sheet to your passport and stamp that, so you can tear it out later and thus avoid going on a date with Lindy England.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as with Cuba....Americans' wanting to visit NK do so from a third country....your entry visa will be stamped on a seperate piece of paper and attached to your passport....and removed when you exit the country as to not let American immigration folks see where you have been.
If the idiots...and they really are idiots....American customs and immigration folks...... see a visa from Cuba or NK....you WILL be spending a day or two of being grilled over in custody. You might pay a fine. Hard to say....
Going to that mountain with the other tourists'...does not count as a visit to NK.
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seoulunitarian



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

It's cold in here.

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Rockwell Bergstrom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="RACETRAITOR"]You could be blocked from entering South Korea, and I'm sure you could be deported to Sudan for torture if the Americans catch you. When you go through North Korean customs, they staple a sheet to your passport and stamp that, so you can tear it out later and thus avoid going on a date with Lindy England.[/quote]

Can I ask how you know that a sheet is stapled to your passport so that it can be removed?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockwell Bergstrom wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
You could be blocked from entering South Korea, and I'm sure you could be deported to Sudan for torture if the Americans catch you. When you go through North Korean customs, they staple a sheet to your passport and stamp that, so you can tear it out later and thus avoid going on a date with Lindy England.


Can I ask how you know that a sheet is stapled to your passport so that it can be removed?


I'd have to track down the source. It was an article someone wrote about his visit to North Korea.
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superacidjax



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockwell Bergstrom wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
You could be blocked from entering South Korea, and I'm sure you could be deported to Sudan for torture if the Americans catch you. When you go through North Korean customs, they staple a sheet to your passport and stamp that, so you can tear it out later and thus avoid going on a date with Lindy England.


Can I ask how you know that a sheet is stapled to your passport so that it can be removed?


They don't staple anything. It's a visa card they give you. It's loose in your passport. How do I know? I can't really get into it. But just so you know, on the Mt. Kumgang (however it's spelled) there is NO visa, no application, you leave from a South Korean port in the NE part of SK, you sleep on a floating hotel. You are technically in NK, but you haven't officially "enetered" the country as the entire area is fenced off from the rest of the country. There are sources on the net to independently verify what I'm telling you.. so do some research if you want.

I didn't know that NK was still issuing visas for US passport holders (for the rest of NK, not Kumgang.) When I was in Beijing handling that business, I had some difficulties with it, although evenutally I arrived at a solution that didn't involve a US passport.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously- check with the state department on this one!. An American gyopo friend of mine did the Koryo tour back in 2002 with no repercussions, but that was during the Arirang festival and a special case I think.
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sadsac



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done the Geumgang tour, there is no record kept of you entering NK. You have an exit and entry stamp from South Korean immigration and nothing else to indicate where you have been. The Americam couple we met there went through the same procedure as us. Smile
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superacidjax wrote:
Rockwell Bergstrom wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
You could be blocked from entering South Korea, and I'm sure you could be deported to Sudan for torture if the Americans catch you. When you go through North Korean customs, they staple a sheet to your passport and stamp that, so you can tear it out later and thus avoid going on a date with Lindy England.


Can I ask how you know that a sheet is stapled to your passport so that it can be removed?


They don't staple anything. It's a visa card they give you. It's loose in your passport. How do I know? I can't really get into it. But just so you know, on the Mt. Kumgang (however it's spelled) there is NO visa, no application, you leave from a South Korean port in the NE part of SK, you sleep on a floating hotel. You are technically in NK, but you haven't officially "enetered" the country as the entire area is fenced off from the rest of the country. There are sources on the net to independently verify what I'm telling you.. so do some research if you want.

I didn't know that NK was still issuing visas for US passport holders (for the rest of NK, not Kumgang.) When I was in Beijing handling that business, I had some difficulties with it, although evenutally I arrived at a solution that didn't involve a US passport.


Have you been to NK?
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kprrok



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to know if there are any repercussions as well. I'd love to visit the North. My only problem is that I WANT the stamp showing I'd been there.

KPRROK
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
I'd like to know if there are any repercussions as well. I'd love to visit the North. My only problem is that I WANT the stamp showing I'd been there.

KPRROK


Ditto
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buster brown



Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I visited twice with an American passport: your visa will be a slip of paper that's placed inside...no staples or glue. Upon exiting the country your visa is removed and there's no evidence of you ever having been there. Sorry kprrok and cerebroden, but thems the breaks.

On a side note, when you return to the US there's a place on the customs form asking which countries you visited during your stay abroad. I debated on whether or not to write down the DPRK, and finally decided it wouldn't be a big deal. At LA customs in 2003, I wasn't even a blip on the radar...they sent me through without a hassle. In 2004, after my second visit, I was stopped and had everything taken out of my bags and searched. It wasn't a full-blown interrogation, they were just curious about why I'd been there, what I'd done, etc. One funny thing that they did...I'd been shopping in Beijing and Shanghai, so I had several Chinese business cards in one of my bags from random shops I'd visited. The customs guy insisted on making photocopies of every one so they'd have a 'record'. I guess it didn't delay me more than 30 or 45 minutes, but I'll think twice before including it if theres a next time.
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