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JeJuJitsu

Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Location: McDonald's
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: Anyone Teaching @ TWO Public Schools? |
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Just curious. I teach at a HS, and teach the middle school across the street for Winter & Summer Camp, but the middle school can't find a teacher for this next year. Since I'll be teaching only 14 classes this upcoming year (7 last year), I said to the middle school head teacher, "Hey, since you can't find a teacher, pay me an additional salary and I'll teach both schools, just work out a schedule with the HS."
Of course, in typical Korean fashion, anything out of the normal did not compute, so I told her to think about it. All together, I'd teach 22 hours at the middle school, 14 at the HS, for a total of 36. I wouldn't mind the schedule--it'd be slightly more work than a hagwon, but I'd still be getting the long vactations, so I'll have recovery time. I'm guessing they won't do it just because then a foreigner would earn 4.5+ a month, but just wondering, as it seems many of the schools are set up the same way all around Korea--elementary school near the middle school, middle school near the high school. Anyone here offered to kill 2 birds with 1 stone for them and have it work?
Just wondering, thanks. |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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This was my plan.
I was going to work 2 public school jobs, or uni and public school, and rake in the big bucks.
It didn't work out that way. I interviewed at my uni, where they promised me I could do such outside work with approval. I was hired, and then 2 months later when I found the right public school gig, I was flat-out denied approval. Turns out my boss overpromised just to get me to sign.
Some Koreans don't like sharing their slave. Our administration doesnt. I got so angry with my boss over it, she almost went into tears. |
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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Same for me, i had the chance to get an extra 160 000 A WEEK for four hours. I already legally work at 2 public schools and i had a hook up at a local high school for the extra cash. One principal said he didn't mind but the other principal said it was a no go, i'm still a bit pissed about it. His excuse was i would get too "tired". |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I work at two public schools but they are in my contract. Both of them are very small elementary schools. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Gsxr750r you should have threatened to resign, or better still you should have gone over her head to the academic dean or something. I guarantee you would have gotten your permission. You could have said " Ok bi---, f--- you I am outta here" . Of course you don't use those exact phrases, but you could have at least given her the message
No Korean has a right to deny you money outa sour grapes man. Geeze
F--- EM |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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I work at a elementary school and my VP and the Principal of the middle school across the road wanted me to teach at the middle school as well (because "I seemed bored because I have so much free time")
I said "No thanks."
So it depends on the situation. Some adminstrations don't mind (or will even encourage it) others won't like it.
It's got nothing to do with how much the foreigner earns (I would have been making 4 million a month easy....but while I enjoy teaching I also value my free time..and would have little time to make lesson plans.) |
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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to be kidding? You would have been making 4 million but passed it up for "free time" What does your free time entail?, it better be something pretty damn good. |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Len8 wrote: |
| Gsxr750r you should have threatened to resign, or better still you should have gone over her head to the academic dean or something. I guarantee you would have gotten your permission. You could have said " Ok bi---, f--- you I am outta here" . Of course you don't use those exact phrases, but you could have at least given her the message. |
It came very close to that. The problem is that I determined that I would have lost, and created bad blood in the process. The problem was more about people above her that didn't want it. I would be crying to them that I had been told I could do it (when they were the ones who didn't want me to work elsewhere). They probably wouldn't have allowed it.
I know all of this, because we had an F2 teacher working here last year who was promised he could continue PT work at another university while working FT here. Our boss promised him he could do this, and it became apparent that the university was very much against it. Very soon, the issue that he "wasn't visible enough" was being gossiped about.
My boss told me that administration saw our schedules (we only worked Thurs/Friday here last year) and wondered why they couldn't place us in more hagwon-oriented classes earlier in the week. She was reluctant to tell them that she'd promised him he could work elsewhere -- something that administration apparently DIDN'T want. She had overpromised. The teacher took the heat for it, and due in large part to the situation, wasn't renewed.
There were also other issues, which I won't get into, but it really angered the foreigners here that they would promise something, then view someone negatively for taking them up on that promise.
Oh, and that teacher was an F2. I am an E2. F2's aren't as easily pushed around, and they knew that. Quite amazing how weak and non-slave-owner-like Koreans become once the unconstitutional E2 restrictions are not there. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah but I also would have been working close to forty hours a week as well...more like 50+(including Saturdays) when you factor lesson plans and prep into it. Just not worth it. Plus I'm already well on the way to "making my pile" so as to speak. Generally speaking one doesn't get rich by teaching Not to mention that when you do so many lessons the quality of your teaching suffers(unless you're SuperTeacher) I'm sure you've experienced that at hakwons. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Just my personal opinion but I think that people who come here solely for the money are either:
A) People who shouldn't be here.
B) People who don't know how to make REAL money.
Getting into teaching with the idea of becoming rich (I'm talking rich by 1st world standards) is one of the dumbest ideas in the world. Maybe there are a few, but even teachers back home who are making more money than us aren't considered rich. Sure I guess you could (if you are very lucky/greedy) work 60 hours a week and make 7-10 million won/month ...but at what cost to your personal life? Personally I'd rather make time to enjoy life than make money. But to each his own.
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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Money is a big factor for me. If i had as much to do in my freetime here as i did back home, it wouldn't be, but considering the dirth of recreational hobbies/activities available, i would rather be bringing in the bucks. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| rawiri wrote: |
| Money is a big factor for me. If i had as much to do in my freetime here as i did back home, it wouldn't be, but considering the dirth of recreational hobbies/activities available, i would rather be bringing in the bucks. |
what dearth? You can do archery, bowling, hiking, biking, mountain climbing, lift weights, learn Korean (or another language), billards, read, take up a martial art, organize a weekly Monopoly or poker tournament...and that's just scratching the surface. Right there that's eleven things just off the top of my head. What did you do back home? |
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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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I hear you, it's nice that you make an effort to hang out and get involved in such activities. I ticked off a couple of them but not many.
Back home- (in no particular order) Golf (real...like with grass and sand traps...all the usual things associated with the sport) gym, The beach, taking the dog to the beach, taking your girlfriend to the beach, surfing/boogieboarding/swimming, touch rugby with mates, rugby rugby with mates, rugby league with mates, backyard cricket, indoor cricket, hallway cricket, messing round with cars, driving messed round cars, trashing messed round cars in farmers empty paddocks, mountain biking, fishing, hiking, mountain biking up a hiking trail with your fishing rod, pig hunting, deer hunting, rabbit hunting, poetry reading, rock and roll dance clubs, salsa dance clubs, recreational skin diving, recreational scuba diving, softball, reading, socialising, getting boozed off your face and heading out with your pals then scoring some random honey, getting stoned off your face and eating greasy fatty food while watching a few videos, getting pilled off your face and dancing the night away and falling in love with some random honey, alcoholics anonymous, narcotics anonymous, over eaters anonymous packing up your car and taking a road trip anywhere you want to go, all manner of public group meetings (jaycees, rotary etc).
Anyways, just a few things off the top of my head. |
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Pak Yu Man

Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Location: The Ida galaxy
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Free time is worth it to me. I could be making much better money now, immigration found out about our illegal outgoing profs. I might pick up a few hours for 80k an hour but they're always out of the city.
I can join clubs/classes at the uni.
I could even start a hapkido club if I wanted too.
You need to find what you want. Lots of $$ or lots of free time? |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Yeah but I also would have been working close to forty hours a week as well...more like 50+(including Saturdays) when you factor lesson plans and prep into it. Just not worth it. Plus I'm already well on the way to "making my pile" so as to speak. Generally speaking one doesn't get rich by teaching Not to mention that when you do so many lessons the quality of your teaching suffers(unless you're SuperTeacher) I'm sure you've experienced that at hakwons. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Just my personal opinion but I think that people who come here solely for the money are either:
A) People who shouldn't be here.
B) People who don't know how to make REAL money.
Getting into teaching with the idea of becoming rich (I'm talking rich by 1st world standards) is one of the dumbest ideas in the world. Maybe there are a few, but even teachers back home who are making more money than us aren't considered rich. Sure I guess you could (if you are very lucky/greedy) work 60 hours a week and make 7-10 million won/month ...but at what cost to your personal life? Personally I'd rather make time to enjoy life than make money. But to each his own.
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You would have been making (saving) a HUGE amount, for working the same hours you would be working at any job in the US. No offense, but you must value your free time pretty damn highly! |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
Free time is worth it to me. I could be making much better money now, immigration found out about our illegal outgoing profs. I might pick up a few hours for 80k an hour but they're always out of the city.
I can join clubs/classes at the uni.
I could even start a hapkido club if I wanted too.
You need to find what you want. Lots of $$ or lots of free time? |
I'd take the money. Money saved now means having a better life later.
I'm planning on using the money to supplement my income when I move to Belgium after Korea. I enjoy teaching, and I like Korea, but I *am* going there with the main intention to make money. The more money I make, the easier it will be for me to live in Europe, which is what I *really* care about. If that means being a hermit for a few years, I could care less. I'm pretty much a hermit now anyway. |
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