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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: Korean table manners. Two questions. |
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Are Koreans aware that we find their table manners disgusting? Or do they simply not care? After all, it's Korean 'culture.'
A secondary question. When eating lunch with your Korean colleagues
do you ever give any indication to them that you're kinda grossed out. Or do you just suffer in silence. Usually I do the latter, but if I'm not in a particularly good mood I'll briefly lift my eyes from my meal and look towards the person in question, hoping the silent protest registers. It never does. Anyway, has anyone here ever let their colleagues know, even in a very polite manner, that you're offended by their table manners? Or do they already know and just don't give a damn?
Never really figured this one out. But I'm seriously considering going out for lunch in the future rather than eating with my colleagues. The noise is that bad. |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's just their thing, but I try to demonstrate impeccable manners when they are around in hopes of inspiring a miracle. It hasn't happened yet, but I have had a few people say "your eating is beautiful." So i guess they kind of take notice that you can still eat without doing it like a pig.
If they told me that I should make noise to show my appreciation to the cook because it is their culture, I still wouldn't do it. My parents and grandparents trained me too well. I don't blame them, but I do leave the staff room sometimes when its more than I can take (like when its suck yogurt out of a paper cup time). |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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well, if you were back home eating at work very quietly, and some Korean glared and you then slurped his noodles even more, would you realize your ways are wrong and you should eat more like a pig?
of course not.
and they also think you are crazy for trying to impose your imperial ways upon them.
if it bothers you, dont shoot them a look, tell them politely, and if they dont change, remember you are in their country and you play by their rules.
sorry, but that is the tough truth. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: Near Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just their thing, but I try to demonstrate impeccable manners when they are around in hopes of inspiring a miracle. It hasn't happened yet, |
Nor will it and why should it?
What you consider manners and what they consider manners are different.
You are the lone outisder here, so why would they change to your style of eating?
If Korean guests came to visit you in your home country, would you sit around and slurp your noodles and eat with your mouth open to make them feel at home...?
Personally, as one of those kids whose parents were always claiming they couldn't take me anywhere and I found it nigh imossible to even eat a biscuit in the 'correct fashion' I actually like the fact that here I can SLURP, BURP and pick up my soup bowl, bring it to my lips and GULP the remains down
and then let out a big AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
Nice
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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It's yet another thing they just don't get. It's not that they can't comprehend that we might find it disgusting; it's that they just can't see why shovelling or slurping as much food into one's mouth as possible and then eating with one's mouth open would be. Today for lunch I went down to the toast sandwich shop where three of my students and an older sister were also getting lunch. They were such pleasant company until they sat down at the long, thin table along the wall with their massive, sloppy sandwiches and smoothies, at which point I decided that the sandwich they were making for me would be take-away.
Last week I met up with a friend who just got back from three months in Australia. I was so hopeful when we went out for lunch that she had figured it out but no, three months of being around people who find your table manners animalistic isn't quite enough. |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just their thing, but I try to demonstrate impeccable manners when they are around in hopes of inspiring a miracle. It hasn't happened yet, |
Nor will it and why should it?
What you consider manners and what they consider manners are different.
You are the lone outisder here, so why would they change to your style of eating?
If Korean guests came to visit you in your home country, would you sit around and slurp your noodles and eat with your mouth open to make them feel at home...?
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Sorry, for trying to be funny.
I don't think they should or expect them to change. I'm not changing my eating habits, and i don't expect them to. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| kat2 wrote: |
If they told me that I should make noise to show my appreciation to the cook because it is their culture, I still wouldn't do it. My parents and grandparents trained me too well. I don't blame them, but I do leave the staff room sometimes when its more than I can take (like when its suck yogurt out of a paper cup time). |
hahahahahaha
yeah Im the same when meals come into the staff room its feeding time in the pig pen! IM AUDI!!
the education comes from Korean television! if you watch at least one show has meal time with the actors eating with their mouth full and spitting rice all over the place! perhaps its the version of Method acting!
anyway kids watch this on TV and think its perfectly fine to eat and chew with your mouth open and make noise!!
anyway.. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: Near Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| kat2 wrote: |
| venus wrote: |
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| It's just their thing, but I try to demonstrate impeccable manners when they are around in hopes of inspiring a miracle. It hasn't happened yet, |
Nor will it and why should it?
What you consider manners and what they consider manners are different.
You are the lone outisder here, so why would they change to your style of eating?
If Korean guests came to visit you in your home country, would you sit around and slurp your noodles and eat with your mouth open to make them feel at home...?
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Sorry, for trying to be funny.
I don't think they should or expect them to change. I'm not changing my eating habits, and i don't expect them to. |
Whoops, I thought you were being serious...
Apols... |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
the education comes from Korean television! if you watch at least one show has meal time with the actors eating with their mouth full and spitting rice all over the place! perhaps its the version of Method acting!
anyway kids watch this on TV and think its perfectly fine to eat and chew with your mouth open and make noise!!
anyway.. |
My favorite are the restaurant review shows where the cute show hostess stuffs a giant piece of lettuce wrapped bulgogi in her mouth, grabs her hand mike (have they not heard about extending the wire and clipping it to their shirt!), and starts ooing, ahhing and telling us how good it is. Except she doesn't need to tell me, because I can see it...in her mouth and flying through the air. I can't wait to try that restaurant! |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| kat2 wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
the education comes from Korean television! if you watch at least one show has meal time with the actors eating with their mouth full and spitting rice all over the place! perhaps its the version of Method acting!
anyway kids watch this on TV and think its perfectly fine to eat and chew with your mouth open and make noise!!
anyway.. |
My favorite are the restaurant review shows where the cute show hostess stuffs a giant piece of lettuce wrapped bulgogi in her mouth, grabs her hand mike (have they not heard about extending the wire and clipping it to their shirt!), and starts ooing, ahhing and telling us how good it is. Except she doesn't need to tell me, because I can see it...in her mouth and flying through the air. I can't wait to try that restaurant! |
The worst of all I think are the 'how food is made' shows where they show the process from beginning to end, the end being a bunch of rural ajummas reaching in with their fingers to stuff their faces. It's enough to make my high school students look refined. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Although it doesn't really bother me that much anymore (well usually anyways), from all accounts of talking to co-workers about eating manners, they say it is rude to make noise and eat with your mouth open in Korean culture. I mentioned that I saw it all the time, and they just said it is because people these days have bad manners. |
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kalkamagi
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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i think the eating like a pig phenomenon is a recent, not traditional, cultural trait.
but i agree with the OP, disgusting table manners are pervasive throughout korea! this one man that i see at lunch every thursday GRUNTS while eating. at this point, i finish up and leave. there's really nothing you can do, except (try to) ignore it and then aviod the situation in the future.
what would it accomplish if you said or did anything? |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
Although it doesn't really bother me that much anymore (well usually anyways), from all accounts of talking to co-workers about eating manners, they say it is rude to make noise and eat with your mouth open in Korean culture. I mentioned that I saw it all the time, and they just said it is because people these days have bad manners. |
I've heard that too, and I want to slap them and say "Wake up, what country do you live in?" If its a behavoir of 90% of Koreans, then its part of the culture.
(Can you tell I have nothing to do at work today since I've posted about 4 times on this one thread? Ahhhh, the boredom.) |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Korean table manners. Two questions. |
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| Bingo wrote: |
Are Koreans aware that we find their table manners disgusting? Or do they simply not care? After all, it's Korean 'culture.'
A secondary question. When eating lunch with your Korean colleagues
do you ever give any indication to them that you're kinda grossed out. Or do you just suffer in silence. Usually I do the latter, but if I'm not in a particularly good mood I'll briefly lift my eyes from my meal and look towards the person in question, hoping the silent protest registers. It never does. Anyway, has anyone here ever let their colleagues know, even in a very polite manner, that you're offended by their table manners? Or do they already know and just don't give a damn?
Never really figured this one out. But I'm seriously considering going out for lunch in the future rather than eating with my colleagues. The noise is that bad. |
During summer intensives at our hagwon, I ate lunch with them a few times, but it was too disgusting for me, so I started eating at home instead. Same thing during winter vacation. Circumvent the problem, that's my solution! |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| kat2 wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
Although it doesn't really bother me that much anymore (well usually anyways), from all accounts of talking to co-workers about eating manners, they say it is rude to make noise and eat with your mouth open in Korean culture. I mentioned that I saw it all the time, and they just said it is because people these days have bad manners. |
I've heard that too, and I want to slap them and say "Wake up, what country do you live in?" If its a behavoir of 90% of Koreans, then its part of the culture.
(Can you tell I have nothing to do at work today since I've posted about 4 times on this one thread? Ahhhh, the boredom.) |
At the same time, it is generally considered rude to put your elbows on the table in our culture, but I do it and I am sure most people on here do, too. |
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