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Dome Vans
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 Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Incheon Uni jobs |
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I have a friend who came over to Korea a couple of weeks ago. He's living in Incheon at the mo. He has a BA in Law and is a qualified lawyer. He's wanting to teach adults, so I mentioned about teaching at a uni.
He's been offered a Pagoda job which I said probably wasn't the one he wanted because of the split shifts, and having read the stuff here probably not a good idea at all.
Any ideas or any openings that people have about Law uni jobs in Incheon? Thanking you in advance!  |
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merkurix
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Incheon Uni jobs |
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I have a friend who came over to Korea a couple of weeks ago. He's living in Incheon at the mo. He has a BA in Law and is a qualified lawyer. He's wanting to teach adults, so I mentioned about teaching at a uni.
He's been offered a Pagoda job which I said probably wasn't the one he wanted because of the split shifts, and having read the stuff here probably not a good idea at all.
Any ideas or any openings that people have about Law uni jobs in Incheon? Thanking you in advance! |
I don't know if a BA in law will be enough for a uni job in Incheon. If he has at least a J.D. then he has a chance. I am guessing that most law schools here teach Korean law and train their lawyers toward that direction. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Incheon Uni jobs |
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| merkurix wrote: |
| Dome Vans wrote: |
I have a friend who came over to Korea a couple of weeks ago. He's living in Incheon at the mo. He has a BA in Law and is a qualified lawyer. He's wanting to teach adults, so I mentioned about teaching at a uni.
He's been offered a Pagoda job which I said probably wasn't the one he wanted because of the split shifts, and having read the stuff here probably not a good idea at all.
Any ideas or any openings that people have about Law uni jobs in Incheon? Thanking you in advance! |
I don't know if a BA in law will be enough for a uni job in Incheon. If he has at least a J.D. then he has a chance. I am guessing that most law schools here teach Korean law and train their lawyers toward that direction. |
Thanks for the reply mercurix!
I take it that Incheon is probably more competitive than other parts of Korea with Uni jobs? So the MA is important one.
I told him to try going round to the Uni's and drop off his CV and see what they say. If he goes to 10 then there's a chance he could get one interview. |
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PRagic
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I'd never heard of a BA in law. I've heard of a BA in pre-law, which is basically a glorified liberal arts degree and a couple of intro law courses. Still, if he passed the bar, it's a done deal.
I agree with the previous poster in that a BA probably won't be enough for a university job, even in Inchon, particularly given the competition for university jobs these days. You do give good advice, though, in having him personally drop off his resume at as many places as possible. You never know.
Why? Most universities approach the hiring process half-arsed. By the time they get around to making offers, their best possible condidates have already taken positions elsewhere. In the end, smaller schools often end up having to hire BA holders.
Good luck to your friend. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: |
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I'd never heard of a BA in law. I've heard of a BA in pre-law, which is basically a glorified liberal arts degree and a couple of intro law courses. Still, if he passed the bar, it's a done deal.
I agree with the previous poster in that a BA probably won't be enough for a university job, even in Inchon, particularly given the competition for university jobs these days. You do give good advice, though, in having him personally drop off his resume at as many places as possible. You never know.
Why? Most universities approach the hiring process half-arsed. By the time they get around to making offers, their best possible condidates have already taken positions elsewhere. In the end, smaller schools often end up having to hire BA holders.
Good luck to your friend. |
Cheers for the reply Pragic. Sorry I should have been clearer his first degree is in Law. But he doesn't have the MA. He has a lot of experience teaching, and his law working experience.
Shame to hear the Uni's have that approach when hiring. Seems to fit that knowing a Prof there already can be a gold connection. Saves the Uni advertising. I wanted to save him from doing the Pagoda...adult hagwon thing, split shifts etc. So thought that a Uni job would be the way to teach in Korea without having to teach kids, and avoiding the whole Hagwon minefield. Unless there are any good adult hagwons in Incheon....? |
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spliff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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BA in law....  |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for gracing us with your presence spliff. Much appreciated...... |
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Unposter
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I think he has a chance to get a uni job, especially if he plans on teaching English not law but now is not the time to apply for unis as the semester has already started.
Also, unless the uni has an emergency opening, I would not plaster his resume around at the momment as it will be long forgotten by the time they do start hiring.
He might get lucky in May/June to find a Uni who is hiring for Fall but few unis do.
I would think November/December is the best time to look.
If he chooses to get a job in the meantime, he should negotiate an out if a uni position comes along and make sure it is in the contract.
Good luck! |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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I think he has a chance to get a uni job, especially if he plans on teaching English not law but now is not the time to apply for unis as the semester has already started.
Also, unless the uni has an emergency opening, I would not plaster his resume around at the momment as it will be long forgotten by the time they do start hiring.
He might get lucky in May/June to find a Uni who is hiring for Fall but few unis do.
I would think November/December is the best time to look.
If he chooses to get a job in the meantime, he should negotiate an out if a uni position comes along and make sure it is in the contract.
Good luck! |
Excellent post Unposter, thanks for that.
It's very interesting to know that the Uni's have a specific windows for hiring. By the sounds of it, once people get these jobs they're not likely to let them go hence out of season could be a bit tricky. Or similar to Hagwons, people won't take the very bad jobs and those that do don't last long.
He's just on a tourist visa here at the mo and I said not to jump at the first offer that came along, namely the Pagoda one. As I would rarely recommend a Hagwon job I was hoping that something better might come along. But how best is it to find the good adult hagwon's in Incheon are there particular sites? I know he's already at a advantage because he's here and very hireable. |
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butlerian
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| spliff wrote: |
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Thank you for gracing us with your presence spliff. Much appreciated...... |
For North Americans - the system is different in the UK. One initially takes a Bachelor of Laws degree (LLB) and then another year in a college of law is required in order to qualify as a solicitor or a barrister. |
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PGF
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there is no such monster as a BA in law
it does not exist. but koreans don't know that, so, whatever.
as for uni without a Masters? Not only is it possible in Incheon. it's the norm. I know a guy who got a uni job at gachon med uni in Incheon with a BA.. His 50 year old sister just got a job at a uni in Seoul with oNly a BA.
The brother is working on getting a masters through some online uni in canada that is notorious for granting prisoners degrees.
The sister just promised she would start the same program.
the crunch for FTs is just starting. I'm seeing it en masse around Incheon. In six months, we (FTs) will be able to write our own tickets- the smart ones that is....
tell your friend to get a 4 year degree... Those online pre-law degrees are equivalent to GEDS. (look it up online). |
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skdragon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Incheon Uni jobs |
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| I take it that Incheon is probably more competitive than other parts of Korea ... ... If he goes to 10 then there's a chance he could get one interview. |
What are the 10 in Incheon? |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
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Thank you for gracing us with your presence spliff. Much appreciated...... |
For North Americans - the system is different in the UK. One initially takes a Bachelor of Laws degree (LLB) and then another year in a college of law is required in order to qualify as a solicitor or a barrister. |
Thanks for clearing that up Butlerian. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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there is no such monster as a BA in law
it does not exist. but koreans don't know that, so, whatever.
as for uni without a Masters? Not only is it possible in Incheon. it's the norm. I know a guy who got a uni job at gachon med uni in Incheon with a BA.. His 50 year old sister just got a job at a uni in Seoul with oNly a BA.
The brother is working on getting a masters through some online uni in canada that is notorious for granting prisoners degrees.
The sister just promised she would start the same program.
the crunch for FTs is just starting. I'm seeing it en masse around Incheon. In six months, we (FTs) will be able to write our own tickets- the smart ones that is....
tell your friend to get a 4 year degree... Those online pre-law degrees are equivalent to GEDS. (look it up online). |
Thanks for that PGF. I realised from reading here that it's possible to get a Uni job without a MA. But the timing being a little difficult and a little out fo hiring season, especially when it comes to getting a good uni job. It's not as if someone's going to let a good gig go.
Sorry for the erroneous info. He does have a law degree (not BA, it's been ages since Uni for me so I just label everything as a BA) and he did his extra one year to become a qualified laywer. Whether that qualifies for a Uni job we'll see. |
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PGF
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| butlerian wrote: |
| Dome Vans wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| BA in law.... |
Thank you for gracing us with your presence spliff. Much appreciated...... |
For North Americans - the system is different in the UK. One initially takes a Bachelor of Laws degree (LLB) and then another year in a college of law is required in order to qualify as a solicitor or a barrister. |
Thanks for clearing that up Butlerian. |
WOW! the English only need a 3 year under grad degree and 1 additional year to be a lawyer? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i AM amazed. |
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