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gsxr750r
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SuperHero
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| that's why I'm waiting until aug/sept to put my new baby together - should be able to get a serverboard with dual quads like that and I'll be cruising. |
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cubanlord
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Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Man, that IS nice.  |
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Demophobe
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Pure speculation.
Penryn is also going to be a giant; a very tough act to follow. I predict Penryn will mop the floor with Barcelona.
C2D is between 20 and 40% faster than Athlon 64 X2, so in order to hit a 40% goal above what we see now will be miraculous. AMD are certainly trying to raise some stock values here.
I have no doubt that their new offerring will be a very fast product, but seriously...40%? |
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gsxr750r
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just like anything else. They're probably choosing one application doing a certain operation, and getting their percentages from that. |
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cubanlord
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| The real question is, where will Intel's Core 2 duo rank among the competition? |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Nowhere in sight. Yesterdays trash. Ready for the garbage bin, Cubanlord.
Gawd, I hope you didn't buy one of those things!
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cubanlord
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| gsxr750r wrote: |
Nowhere in sight. Yesterdays trash. Ready for the garbage bin, Cubanlord.
Gawd, I hope you didn't buy one of those things!
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Shut up!  I did (the E6600). THough, it has been doing what I have wanted it to do since I bought it for $350 last August.  |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
Pure speculation.
Penryn is also going to be a giant; a very tough act to follow. I predict Penryn will mop the floor with Barcelona.
C2D is between 20 and 40% faster than Athlon 64 X2, so in order to hit a 40% goal above what we see now will be miraculous. AMD are certainly trying to raise some stock values here.
I have no doubt that their new offerring will be a very fast product, but seriously...40%? |
Oh give me a break Demo. So its possible and it did happen that C2D is was 20%-40% faster then AMDx2 but now that AMD is saying they will be 40% faster it can't happen! Why not? Sound like your justifying something.
BTW I never seen C2D be faster then AMD by 40%. Maybe I missed some benchies.. Any who Stars procs are complete redesign they not the same as K8.
Penryn is far from being even out. |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Cuba, I know you did. I was just teasing u. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
Penryn is far from being even out. |
"sometime during Q3 2007," - Intel
They will be pretty much on time, as they were with Kentsfield.
Penryn is not at all far off and if you have done your homework on the processor, you will understand why it's difficult to believe that AMD are so confident.
The one thing that AMD has in their favor is moving to a single-chip quad solution as opposed to Intel's idea of lashing single cores together.
I realize that the new AMD will be no slouch, and I hope for everyone's sake they are serious competition. However, as usual, it's Intel that are pushing things forward. I wish they would go with Rambus XDR memory though.
Good discussion on the topic here |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
Penryn is far from being even out. |
"sometime during Q3 2007," - Intel
They will be pretty much on time, as they were with Kentsfield.
Penryn is not at all far off and if you have done your homework on the processor, you will understand why it's difficult to believe that AMD are so confident.
The one thing that AMD has in their favor is moving to a single-chip quad solution as opposed to Intel's idea of lashing single cores together.
I realize that the new AMD will be no slouch, and I hope for everyone's sake they are serious competition. However, as usual, it's Intel that are pushing things forward. I wish they would go with Rambus XDR memory though.
Good discussion on the topic here |
I will believe the penryn uberage when I see it.. Sorry I'll believe when I see it. Same goes for barcelona as well as it did for c2d.
I checked out your link but I see nothing inteligent about that blog..
Especially since they are quoting HardOCP and Anandtech (which fabricated stories before)
Unless your a x86/CPU engineer and at least have a masters in something related to that field I don't think anyone is qualified to make any kind of future statements about AMD'sor Intel upcoming architectures. |
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
Unless your a x86/CPU engineer and at least have a masters in something related to that field I don't think anyone is qualified to make any kind of future statements about AMD'sor Intel upcoming architectures. |
Let's hear from some very intelligent people then...people that exceed your pithy requirements.
| Gordon Moore wrote: |
| "The implementation of high-k and metal gate materials marks the biggest change in transistor technology since the introduction of polysilicongate MOS transistors in the late 1960s" |
| Prof. Dimitri Antoniadis wrote: |
"The Intel 45-nm CMOS technology marks a historic milestone for the semiconductor industry. Similar to the transition from single metal (Al) gate to polysilicon gate that has allowed optimal nFET and pFET design, the introduction of dual metal with high-k-insulator gate-stack
opens the path for optimal design of both types of FETs, at insulator thicknesses necessary for continuing device scaling that are impossible to reach with the industry-standard silicon-dioxide-based insulators. Many options of high-k gate-stacks have been the target of intense industry and academic research for many years now, but Intel's demonstration of a manufacturable dual-metal/high-k solution is a remarkable first." |
| Yoshio Nishi wrote: |
| "It is a huge break through to replace more than three decade's long successful polysilicon gate technology with a new high-k+metal gate technology. Though the combination of high-k dielectrics and metal gate electrode for advanced CMOS has been extensively studied by many researchers around the world as the ideal MOS gate structure, the technical hurdle to bring the technology to manufacturing floor has been believed still too high for the 45nm node. As a researcher in this field, I am pleasantly surprised by the announcement and would like to congratulate Intel researchers for their success that Intel has demonstrated 45nm microprocessors with their high-k and metal gate technology. Even though specific metal and high-k material have not been disclosed at this moment, this is a revolutionary step toward the world of sub-50nm CMOS integrated circuits, as this new technology will drastically improve transistor performance in all fronts of electrical specifications, resulting in significant improvement of IC performance." |
There is no doubt that with such advancements, Intel will dominate the near future market. Not only are they on the bleeding edge of their own game, they are besting AMD at near every turn lately.
Am I an Intel fan? No. I have accused Intel of some rotten behavior before (Prescott, Willamette, first "dual core"s), but in this situation, one cannot help but to marvel at the incredible leap forward Penryn is going to be. One need not be an engineer to know a thing or two about what's involved in CPU creation; need I be a doctor to say a headache is bad?
Anyhow, think what you will. I am looking at this only for what it is, and yes, I am truly amazed at this core. Even if in the early stages AMD holds the lead, it will only be a very short time until the FAB matures and the clockspeeds start to ramp. Many times in the past, cloclk for clock, preceding cores have bested their newer interations, but it always turns around quickly..
Interesting that ATI and AMD should team up...two serious underdogs cuddle. They really do have a similar history as well. Intel kicking AMD around 90% of the time, as Nvidia does with ATI. History repeats itself with Nvidia releasing an absolute beast in the 8800 series, and I don't doubt that Penryn will crush. |
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gsxr750r
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Demo, you should be thankful for both AMD and ATI.
If they weren't here, you'd be paying a whole lot more money for those Intel chips and Nvidia cards you so dearly love. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Wrench wrote: |
Unless your a x86/CPU engineer and at least have a masters in something related to that field I don't think anyone is qualified to make any kind of future statements about AMD'sor Intel upcoming architectures. |
Let's hear from some very intelligent people then...people that exceed your pithy requirements.
| Gordon Moore wrote: |
| "The implementation of high-k and metal gate materials marks the biggest change in transistor technology since the introduction of polysilicongate MOS transistors in the late 1960s" |
| Prof. Dimitri Antoniadis wrote: |
"The Intel 45-nm CMOS technology marks a historic milestone for the semiconductor industry. Similar to the transition from single metal (Al) gate to polysilicon gate that has allowed optimal nFET and pFET design, the introduction of dual metal with high-k-insulator gate-stack
opens the path for optimal design of both types of FETs, at insulator thicknesses necessary for continuing device scaling that are impossible to reach with the industry-standard silicon-dioxide-based insulators. Many options of high-k gate-stacks have been the target of intense industry and academic research for many years now, but Intel's demonstration of a manufacturable dual-metal/high-k solution is a remarkable first." |
| Yoshio Nishi wrote: |
| "It is a huge break through to replace more than three decade's long successful polysilicon gate technology with a new high-k+metal gate technology. Though the combination of high-k dielectrics and metal gate electrode for advanced CMOS has been extensively studied by many researchers around the world as the ideal MOS gate structure, the technical hurdle to bring the technology to manufacturing floor has been believed still too high for the 45nm node. As a researcher in this field, I am pleasantly surprised by the announcement and would like to congratulate Intel researchers for their success that Intel has demonstrated 45nm microprocessors with their high-k and metal gate technology. Even though specific metal and high-k material have not been disclosed at this moment, this is a revolutionary step toward the world of sub-50nm CMOS integrated circuits, as this new technology will drastically improve transistor performance in all fronts of electrical specifications, resulting in significant improvement of IC performance." |
There is no doubt that with such advancements, Intel will dominate the near future market. Not only are they on the bleeding edge of their own game, they are besting AMD at near every turn lately.
Am I an Intel fan? No. I have accused Intel of some rotten behavior before (Prescott, Willamette, first "dual core"s), but in this situation, one cannot help but to marvel at the incredible leap forward Penryn is going to be. One need not be an engineer to know a thing or two about what's involved in CPU creation; need I be a doctor to say a headache is bad?
Anyhow, think what you will. I am looking at this only for what it is, and yes, I am truly amazed at this core. Even if in the early stages AMD holds the lead, it will only be a very short time until the FAB matures and the clockspeeds start to ramp. Many times in the past, cloclk for clock, preceding cores have bested their newer interations, but it always turns around quickly..
Interesting that ATI and AMD should team up...two serious underdogs cuddle. They really do have a similar history as well. Intel kicking AMD around 90% of the time, as Nvidia does with ATI. History repeats itself with Nvidia releasing an absolute beast in the 8800 series, and I don't doubt that Penryn will crush. |
Have you ever heard of bang for your buck?
Sorry Demo but you are a Tech Zealot. (Make sure you don't get confused with Fanboy)
I simply stated the fact that engineers and designers are better at making quantifiable analysys of these technologies. Most people lack the expertise and knowledge in even deciphering a fraction of the technical jargon.
Now if your gone start throwing quotes then
This is a snipet of a Press release Ala Slashdot.. AMD and IBM..
Intel announced a major breakthrough in microprocessor design Friday that will allow it to keep on the curve of Moore's Law a while longer. IBM, working with AMD, rushed out a press release announcing essentially equivalent advances. Both companies said they will be using alloys of hafnium as insulating layers, replacing the silicon dioxide that has been used for more than 40 years. The New York Times story (and coverage from the AP and others) features he-said, she-said commentary from dueling analysts. If there is a consensus, it's that Intel is 6 or more months ahead for the next generation. IBM vigorously disputes this, saying that they and AMD are simply working in a different part of the processor market — concentrating on the high-end server space, as opposed to the portable, low-power end.
So we can throw quotes and crap like this at each other till the cows come home and frankly its just gone start reaking of fanboism.
As I said I am not going to participate in these so called "intelligent arguments" because most of the "inteligent" parties are preoccupied at acctually designing better CPUs. Not squabling over rumors.
I am gone reiterate myself once more.. I'll believe when I see it. This oh penryn will give Barcelona run for its money crap is a futile and a stupid wast of time mainly because. No one seen benchmarks of Barcelona let alone Penryn.
Any way computers are the worst investment you can make.. So while you may be all to giddy about upgrading to the latest and greatest I will keep counting the "greenbacks" in my wallet.. (not litteraly) I will be nice to see future upgrades but the next upgrade for me is about 2 years away. |
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