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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: Man...this is really....REALLY....WEIRD!!!!! |
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Alright. I just finished reading the thread regarding, "check your name on this Korean website..yada...yada...yada...". So, I decided to run a search on google for my name....
I have had a few things published before; some have even been bought by online travel journals, etc. But...man! I just ran a search and other websites are taking my work and publishing it on their site. Mind you, they are still giving me credit and the original source credit, but, why would they do that? Anyone ever have this happen to them?
Here, I will show you:
This is the original posting: http://search.hankooki.com/times/times_view.php?term=rafael+sabio++&path=hankooki3/times/lpage/opinion/200701/kt2007012320441154060.htm&media=kt
This is the one I just found:
http://owli.org/home/node/1996
Now, why would they reprint like that?
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Delirium's Brother

Joined: 08 May 2006 Location: Out in that field with Rumi, waiting for you to join us!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
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That's pretty normal. I've noticed that a huge proportion of internet content is plagarized from other sites and from printed sources. Is it legal? Probably not. Is it fair? Not really. Is it standard operating procedure? In many places it is. Can you do anything about it? You could ask them to remove it. Will they do it? Maybe.
Technically, if your work is published, then the content is copyrighted to the original publisher, and "grand rights/authorial rights" are reserved to you. Grand rights aren't worth money... they only offer you control over how your work is used. For example, if they present your work as a parody, then you can make them stop. Your publisher on the other hand is being monetarily ripped-off. If it really pisses you off then contact your publisher and make them aware of the situation. They will take care of it for you (and themselves).
The question that I wonder about is whether internet publishing legally counts as publishing. Did you say that it was published online or in a printed form? What does `etc.' mean in this case?
peace,
Chris
p.s. it's been about twenty years since I seriously had to know this stuff, so things may have changed, or time might have played havoc with my memory. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
That's pretty normal. I've noticed that a huge proportion of internet content is plagarized from other sites and from printed sources. Is it legal? Probably not. Is it fair? Not really. Is it standard operating procedure? In many places it is. Can you do anything about it? You could ask them to remove it. Will they do it? Maybe.
Technically, if your work is published, then the content is copyrighted to the original publisher, and "grand rights/authorial rights" are reserved to you. Grand rights aren't worth money... they only offer you control over how your work is used. For example, if they present your work as a parody, then you can make them stop. Your publisher on the other hand is being monetarily ripped-off. If it really pisses you off then contact your publisher and make them aware of the situation. They will take care of it for you (and themselves).
The question that I wonder about is whether internet publishing legally counts as publishing. Did you say that it was published online or in a printed form? What does `etc.' mean in this case?
peace,
Chris
p.s. it's been about twenty years since I seriously had to know this stuff, so things may have changed, or time might have played havoc with my memory. |
Hey Chris,
the "etc." references the newspapers both print and online. The paid one (same article but in a travel journal) is going to be published within a week. I am new to this so I appreciate the response. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| I wrote a few pieces for the Korea Times and they were picked up by a wire service, so whenever I googled myself I saw my name attached to wire reports coming out of Mongolia, Iran, India, etc. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Smee wrote: |
| I wrote a few pieces for the Korea Times and they were picked up by a wire service, so whenever I googled myself I saw my name attached to wire reports coming out of Mongolia, Iran, India, etc. |
wow. Did they give credit to you, the author, and the original source? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| I wrote something that I sent to some guy's blog a few years ago. It was just a blurb about something I had found on the internet. I gave him permission to print it word for word if he wanted, which he did. A couple of days later, I became curious of what had happened to my story after hearing what sounded like my text on the news. So, I did a search for one of the key sentences. It turned up, word for word, in several important magazines and hundred newspapers. |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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There was an article today about a lawsuit against google by... ??Belgium, i forget. Anyway, the newspaper was suing google for printing an "abstract" of the original article. You know how google prints a few lines from the site under the address? Well, the court ruled that this was a copyright infringement. Google said it was perfectly legal but the court said otherwise. Google seemed to be concerned by this. Depending which country it was, and their international relevance, it could be a real issue. with the WTO, EU, etc.. But since I don't remember.., belgium... botswana...burkina faso... It may not.
either way, i doubt there's a damn thing you can do about it |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: |
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The current argument is that the second you place original content on the internet, you are in fact putting it into the public domain. Obviously, it will be treated as such, and unless you have the ability to pay an army of lawyers, you shouldn't even bother trying to maintain control.
But, it's just good manners to credit the content creators and link to their site whenever you can. Since they seem to have done that, it's really nothing but free advertising for you. |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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True, but you don't need an army of lawyers. You only need someone else with an army of lawyers. The point of the relating the court decision was not to rub the belly of each dave poster, lulling them into worry free sleep, artistic integrity intact.
It was to bring up the point that the 'current argument' is no longer current. In that particular country it is illegal. Most likely means in the whole EU it is illegal which means any country in the WTO it's illegal, which pretty much means it's illegal everywhere.
That is a serious blow to net-neutrality and the internet as we know it.
I'm not saying it will stick, but if it does, and it may, it will have a huge impact. |
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superacidjax

Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
| The question that I wonder about is whether internet publishing legally counts as publishing. |
Yes, (at least in the US) several court cases have ruled on the subject. Just as one can be sued for libel for online content, one can also be sued for copyright infringement. When I used to be a news photographer, I routinely found my photos on various websites without permission. Luckily, I worked for Reuters -- they play hardball when it comes to that stuff. It isn't even about giving credit to my pictures. I want to get paid. My cameras and (at the time film) didn't buy themselves, so I took it personally when someone stole pictures, especially for commercial websites. If someone really wanted to use a picture for a non-commercial purpose, all they had to do was email me and I wouldn't have a problem.
With the written word the laws (in the US and Europe) are similar, so it's a violation. If the site in question is a commercial site (advertisements on the page, etc.) then you legally would be entitled to monetary damages. Although unless it's a major issue (i.e. celebrity photos, or an exclusive news event) the actual damages aren't worth the effort. Although, getting the item in question removed shouldn't be difficult.
If it isn't a big deal to you, send an email. If it is a big deal, send a registered letter and keep copies.
Good luck. (Another view is that you should be flattered, but that view is bunk. I'm not flattered when someone likes my car so much that they want to steal it from me!) |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Good luck. (Another view is that you should be flattered, but that view is bunk. I'm not flattered when someone likes my car so much that they want to steal it from me!) |
Very true, and I am. They not only state me as being the author, but also link to the original aritcle. Because of that, I am cool with it (hey, another add on to my publications section). lol.
So, have you guys googled your name yet? Anything of interest? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I like when people hotlink my photos. They get Goatsed soon after. |
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