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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: Kids back home this bad? |
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I've been away from home too long... do we also have way too many kids (from 8 years up to 15) saying things like:
"mixed marriages are bad"
"don't make mixed baby, they'll be stupid"
"xxx-country is all evil"
"Africans are like dirty monkeys"
"nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo. Korea is number one! America stupid!" (just some random boys I passed on the street this weekend.
Yeah, of course we have idiots (of all ages) saying these stupid kinda things . But man, I swear some days this stupidity just seems to be bread into them. (not all, just a sizeable portion)
Ahhhh, Korea. I want to accept you and treat you like a first world country. But you keep throwing out this kinda crap. Why do you make it so hard on me to love you? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| It's not the kids fault, it's how they are educated at home. There are no racist babies... |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| There are no racist babies... |
What are you basing this idea on?
I dunno the specifics on this research, but it says:
http://www.physorg.com/news10852.html
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That�s because a study has found that by this age -- three months -- many babies start to prefer faces of people from their own race to those of another race. This early favoritism may represent the first glimmers of racial prejudice, psychologists say.
But don�t start fretting about racist babies yet. On the bright side, the researchers also found that babies raised with frequent exposure to people of other races don�t develop this early bias |
so...even if that's true i guess it's still how they're raised... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: |
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As a Canadian, I remember as a child you have a strong anti-American sentiment. I hated Germans too, because of the war. Any kid in school with a german name we'd call him Kraut. I thought we should pull out of NATO and be neutral like Switzerland. I didn't like rap music because of it was sung by black people. As an adult, I don't think those things anymore.
Yeah, kids are not the paragons of liberal democratic values any place on earth. I should add my parents never actually taught me any of those things either. My parents are liberal democratic socially responsible people. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Kids in the predominately-white suburbs of America are actually worse. Racist, ignorant, and small-minded with more-than-occasional glimmers of violence. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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I've been married to a Korean for 8 years. 10 if you count the two years we dated....99.98% of that time was spent in Phoenix, Arizona.
I noticed:
Rude cashiers at the supermarket (safeway, Frys) would say "hello, how are you?" and "Did you find everything you needed?" to every single person in line ahead of my wife-but skip the pleasantries when her turn came up (who speaks pretty darn good English) - then I'd come running up to the cash register with the item we forgot to get and come up beside her and the cashier would immediately remember her manners...
Rude kids in the mall that would mimick Chinese accents whenever we walked by them.
Rude phone jockeys (Bank, ISP, Credit card companies, phone company, and just about every other service out there except for the Indians in India who are rude to everyone.) but as soon as I got on the phone, they change their tune in about three seconds.
As soon as they hear an accent...they assume that the person speaks limited English and automatically go into this mode that is both inappropriate and condescending. (showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority)
Face it, you can't control people. Some are rude, some aren't. It's life. The more educated a person is...the better they treat and appreciate foreigners. At least that's been my experience back home.
You just resent it more here coz it's not your own culture. Wait till it happens when you're married and you're back home in your own culture after you've told your wife "This would NEVER happen back in ________"
**Note to self: In your next life, if you want to marry a Korean girl...try to pick one that doesn't have a background in the martial arts...
Did I mention that my wife beats me up on a regular basis? You want to see pics? I gots some.  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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As soon as they hear an accent...they assume that the person speaks limited English and automatically go into this mode that is both inappropriate and condescending. (showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority)
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It took me years to get my mother out of the habit of talking to all Asians as if she was talking to a 4 year old. Nothing rude, she would just switch to this high baby talk voice. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Due to complex sociological reasons there is a lot of racism in my hometown. Belfast, Northern Ireland. A lot of adults have lived very unproductive lives (i.e. losers!) so they will turn on non-whites to make themselves feel not quite at the bottom of the social ladder.
I won't bring my Korean wife to live there in the forseeable future. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Well Korea is nowhere near as violent as my hometown is. Although we've had a discussion about how many of us have been jumped by Koreans, it doesn't compete to Whyte Ave back home. It's just more notable because when it happens here it involves people who grew up in a different culture from your own. |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| You would have to ask an Arab-American. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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That's all very interesting. While my childhood definitely had a lot of racist jerks around, if anyone dare said anything in school about "black person this" or "chinese people that"... well, shiat would hit the fan. Teachers would go nuts, other students would pull a big "what?" etc.
I guess that's my biggest surprise. Not that these things are said in the first place, but the fact that the rest of the class just kind of nods along and nobody calls the student an idiot. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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"mixed marriages are bad"
"don't make mixed baby, they'll be stupid"
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I'm not saying you're lying [EDIT: and I sympathise with anyone who suffers this - I shudder to think how I'd react], but I find it hard to believe kids (students?) would say that to your face. If they are predisposed to these beliefs I find it more likely you'd be greeted by silence, looking at each other, mumbling in Korean perhaps. This is remarkable for its upfront rudeness and asking for a good hard slap across the face than for racism. The racism aspect is bad but less remarkable than the rudeness. I must be lucky and know the most liberal hippies in Korea because it's unthinkable that any adult I know would say that and students go "ooooooh!" when you tell them your GF is Korean.
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"xxx-country is all evil"
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They're hardly Islamic extremists.
Demonization of country or countries xxx is such a common feature of human life I will assume that because you live in Korea and are familiar with Korea this is the reason for your belief that this is heightened here and deserves special attention.
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| "Africans are like dirty monkeys" |
It's a bit rich for a white dude to complain of racist observations about blacks in non-whites.
Oh damn, I forgot. The West has no social problems with race relations whatsoever any more, silly me. Perhaps in our university-mollycoddled lives it doesn't, but elsewhere on the social ladder it's pretty fookin dire in my opinion. I don't know what conditions are like in Canada, but Australasia has deplorable difficulties with reconciling white culture with indigenous populations and I was more impressed by the contents of the nosel on my bidet this afternoon than I am with race relations in Europe and the US.
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"nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo. Korea is number one! America stupid!" (just some random boys I passed on the street this weekend.
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The Turks are anti-American to the core and believe their country to be unquestionably the best in the world despite never having stepped foot out of Turkey. I'm a little familiar with Turkey and as much as I like the country for its many good points, Turks are a far more menacing proposition than a Korean.
In 2003, South Korea contained 0.09% of the world's poor (poor being defined as living on $1 or less per day). I'm sure some Daves posters live amongst this bunch of scrubbers. 
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:10 am Post subject: |
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That's all very interesting. While my childhood definitely had a lot of racist jerks around, if anyone dare said anything in school about "black person this" or "chinese people that"... well, shiat would hit the fan. Teachers would go nuts, other students would pull a big "what?" etc.
I guess that's my biggest surprise. Not that these things are said in the first place, but the fact that the rest of the class just kind of nods along and nobody calls the student an idiot. |
Parents are happy to crack jokes to their kids when a foreigner comes into view.
Parents don't discourage children from pointing foreigners out.
Many Koreaners have a particular idea of foreigners.UK=gentleman,Holland=Hiddink etc etc. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I think kids at home are way worse. Sick and racist/sectarian jokes are the cornerstone of teenage humour. Just listening to my younger cousins at christmas told me that this hadn't changed. in a long time. im sure they will wise up with time as Im sure these kids will too. I think kids are probably less tolerant than adults. Alot of this is bravado and wanting to belong. The best way to belong is to have a clearly defined us and them. I long ago forgo racist/sectarian humour but still love the sick stuff. Still remember hearing my older brother's vast array of dead baby jokes and laughing so hard i thought i would die. |
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