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Just out of college, English degree...public or private?
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Just out of college, English degree...public or private? Reply with quote

I apologize profusely if you guys have heard this a million times (you probably have), but I'm pretty curious.

I'm graduating this May with a degree in English Literature and Language from the Catholic University in D.C. Three of my friends, my boyfriend, and myself all want to teach in Korea next year, but we're all split over times to leave. My roommate and I want to start teaching in June, but Footprints told me that it would be very hard to get a public school in Seoul during June--August and February are the best months to apply. Should I just opt for a private school with a good reputation? Also, I'm Korean but I'm also an adoptee...so where do you guys think I'd suffer the least amount of grief? It seems that a lot of Korean-Americans are treated poorly, and I'm really not thrilled about being shunned for the long duration of my stay.

Oh, and what is the average size of a hagwon?

Thanks for your help (in advance)!


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Missile Command Kid



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of a degree? A BA? An MA? PhD? Knowing this would help. If you've got a grad degree, then you'd be eligible for a university job. If not, you've got your choice of a public school and a hagwon. As far as I know, public schools don't want to hire in June because the school term ends around July - why hire a teacher for a month and then have them on vacation? On the other hand, if you start in a hagwon in June, you're going to be teaching intense hours over the summer. Just some thoughts.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

get your feet wet in a hagwon. if things don't workout for you there, you can always move on to public school job since you'll have F-4 visa.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just got my BA--I can't imagine working in a university, anyway, considering I probably look younger than a lot of the students. Confused

Intense hours? Could you please elaborate? My reason for wanting to go in the summer is that I'm worried about getting stuck in the after-graduation-rut. If I go back to my hometown in WV, I'm doomed to three or four months of boredom and a less than thrilling job at a law firm. If I stay in D.C., I'll work at a summer arts program, but will be exhausted and will probably have to pay about $1,200 for housing expenses. Leaving for Korea a month after I graduate seems like the best option because I'll be able to immediately kick off from college.

To the post above: I don't think I'm eligible for an F-4 because I don't know my biological parents' names or ID numbers.
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hubba bubba



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There will be SOME public school job open SOMEWHERE in Korea in June. It might not be where you want to live tho (countryside). In the summer, hagwons do "intensive programs" where you will basicaly be working more hours. Kids go to "academy" instead of school on vacation. Poor guys...

As far as being an adoptee, not sure. Probably Seoul would be the best place? Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"

Average size of a hogwon? I'd guess a couple hundred kids?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"


Are we all so dense that we can't immediately recognize an adoptee or a Korean who was born in North America?

Yeah I'd say go for the public school option. Many hagwons want the white dancing bear. Although one would think, from the local perspective, a Korean-looking teacher speaking flawless English would be an inspiration for the children. At my school the guy who did attendance (he's been since promoted) spoke really good English (he spent time in LA). The kids were always excited by him and wanted him to speak English.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
There will be SOME public school job open SOMEWHERE in Korea in June. It might not be where you want to live tho (countryside). In the summer, hagwons do "intensive programs" where you will basicaly be working more hours. Kids go to "academy" instead of school on vacation. Poor guys...

As far as being an adoptee, not sure. Probably Seoul would be the best place? Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"

Average size of a hogwon? I'd guess a couple hundred kids?


I wouldn't mind working more hours as long as it's nothing more than a standard 9-5. I'm used to teaching five classes a day from 8-4 in the summer.

Ugh, I've already had to deal with the whole, "Wow! Where did you learn to speak English so good?" in my hometown of Charleston, WV. So I'm already bracing myself for even more situations like that in Korea.
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chachee99



Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"


Just get used to white dudes coming up to you period!!
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chachee99 wrote:
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Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"


Just get used to white dudes coming up to you period!!


Ugh, great. I already deal with that pretty badly in D.C. Sad
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chachee99



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"


Just get used to white dudes coming up to you period!!


Ugh, great. I already deal with that pretty badly in D.C.



On the plus side, you will make new friends easily.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, public schools hire year around. I got my job in June and am leaving in May, so I know of at least one job opening then.

I also agree that the public school route would be a much better route for you.
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chachee99



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many public schools looking for teachers for April.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
There will be SOME public school job open SOMEWHERE in Korea in June. It might not be where you want to live tho (countryside). In the summer, hagwons do "intensive programs" where you will basicaly be working more hours. Kids go to "academy" instead of school on vacation. Poor guys...

As far as being an adoptee, not sure. Probably Seoul would be the best place? Get used to white guys coming up to you and saying, "Oh, your English, very good!!!"

Average size of a hogwon? I'd guess a couple hundred kids?


Yep,they'll be public school jobs available but mightn't be easy to have the four of you living near to each other.

You more than likely CAN make more working in an academy.Well,yes and no.If you got paid everything-yes.They nickle and dime...

I've often tossed up the idea of going back to a hagwon,but,ultimately a public school is safer in terms of job security
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if public schools are hiring in the summer, do they have school year round or a summer camp? I'd prefer to go the public school route, but I still want to get the best possible situation.

Thanks for your input so far, guys.
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Merlyn



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So if public schools are hiring in the summer, do they have school year round or a summer camp? I'd prefer to go the public school route, but I still want to get the best possible situation.

Thanks for your input so far, guys.


I agree with everyone here who is recommending the public school positions over the hagwon if you can get one at the time you want. Much better hours, 20 a week and more vacation time. While you might have to work some kind of summer or winter camp, it really depends on how many students sign-up if they run them or not. I just ended up having about 3 weeks vacation. And you might get a Korean teacher to help you out with your classes, which is great for starting out.
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