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CP



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Public vs. Private Schools??? Reply with quote

Not sure why there is such a debate on this topic. It just comes down to a person's preferences. I have worked in both public and private schools in Korea. Basically for me it came down to my preferences, as should be for everyone else. However, my concerns may differ from others of course. I turned down the public schools this time around and will return to the hagwon I worked at over a year ago. The reasons:

1. You are in the office 10 hours more a week in a public school than a private school. You may not be teaching but you still have to be there sitting around.

2. You will actually teach more hours in a hagwon, but your salary should be a fair amount higher than the public school. Salary is not everything however. If you are not making more than a public school teacher in a hagwon then you should not be in that hagwon.

3. I trust the owner I worked for before. No B.S. - I get everything I want and need.

4. Holidays - public schools seem to vary on this policy. I get enough holidays given to me in a year to satisfy me.

Just decide what is best for you. That's all it comes down to, but do not work in a hagwon for less money than a public school, that is if you get an offer to work in a public school.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Public vs. Private Schools??? Reply with quote

CP wrote:
Not sure why there is such a debate on this topic. It just comes down to a person's preferences. I have worked in both public and private schools in Korea. Basically for me it came down to my preferences, as should be for everyone else. However, my concerns may differ from others of course. I turned down the public schools this time around and will return to the hagwon I worked at over a year ago. The reasons:

1. You are in the office 10 hours more a week in a public school than a private school. You may not be teaching but you still have to be there sitting around.

2. You will actually teach more hours in a hagwon, but your salary should be a fair amount higher than the public school. Salary is not everything however. If you are not making more than a public school teacher in a hagwon then you should not be in that hagwon.

3. I trust the owner I worked for before. No B.S. - I get everything I want and need.

4. Holidays - public schools seem to vary on this policy. I get enough holidays given to me in a year to satisfy me.

Just decide what is best for you. That's all it comes down to, but do not work in a hagwon for less money than a public school, that is if you get an offer to work in a public school.



1. Depends on the school. When I am not teaching I do not have to be there.

2. Now that hakwons are getting desperate that may be partly true. However I have never seen a hakwon that has a higher salary than 2.7-2.8 which is the max at some public schools. I would doubt that most hakwon employees are making more or the same as most public school employees. Remember it's not just salary. Most hakwons tend to not to pay pension, health care, and scrimp on apartments...which is not usually the case at a public school.

And think about this. Who can afford to pay more, the government or some private operator who is more likely than not shady?


3. This can be said for most good employers...hardly exclusive to hakwons...if anything it's the other way around.

4 . Again if you get a good public school and have a good relationship with adminstration/principal you can get far more days off then you could in a hakwon.
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frankly speaking



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other crucial factor that many overlook is what you can actually accomplish as a teacher. In a private school, you will have more autonomy. The smaller class size allows for more individual time with each student. I have taught at both and totally prefer Hagwons.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Public vs. Private Schools??? Reply with quote

CP wrote:
If you are not making more than a public school teacher in a hagwon then you should not be in that hagwon.

Laughing Why? Because not having to sit on your duff in an office for an extra ten hours a week isn't worth anything? because not having to have a Korean coteacher to deal with in the classroom isn't worth anything? Because having class sizes no bigger than 12 and the majority 8 to 10 students isn't worth anything?

I love hagwons. A good hagwon is gold.

The problem is, nothing is worse than a bad hagwon. And while they aren't in the majority, there is a significant majority of hellish hagwons, meaning a lot of unhappy teachers.

BTW, almost all hagwon teachers I've ever met in Korea - and I've met over a hundred easily since 2002 - have had a hagwon they've really enjoyed working at. Only a handful of horror stories told in person. Tons on the 'net though. The distortion of the web, complainers crying loud and long.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked in both hagwons and public schools (one here, one in Japan). I have to say *if* -- and it's a big if -- the hagwon world was more stable, I'd prefer it. Small frequent classes, streamed levels, motivated students, you just accomplish so much more than you do in a public school! I think the public school programs are dubious. Not as individual teachers, but overall, I think the program might be causing more harm than good. Some schools have over 50 students a class and over 50 classes. What good is a foreign teacher going to do in those schools? What kind of confidence builder is it going to be for low-level students who don't have the frequency and individual attention necessary to accomplish anything?


Anyways, working in a hagwon would be better if it wasn't such a corrupt, shady world. The hours are better (you might teach more hours but there is a lot less "doing nothing" hours); your social life is definitely better; it's just more fun.
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