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How to handle unanticipated and unpleasant requests
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: How to handle unanticipated and unpleasant requests Reply with quote

Today, my co-worker approached me and told me that the local education office wanted me to teach their staff English.....from 5pm to 6pm.

I didn't sprint immediately to Dave's and start posting "Oh woe is me, whatever shall I do?"

I firmly but politely pointed out that my contract says from 9am-5pm and that during any time between those hours on Mon-Fri I would be delighted to teach said staff. Otherwise I could not do it.

Him: "You mean it is not possible?"

Me: "It is most utterly impossible."

And that was that. And THEN I came to Dave's and posted about it.


Moral of the story. Nip such things in the bud before they get out of hand. Laughing
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did you not demand 100k and hour corporate rate.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: great... Reply with quote

A very excellent post about how to become more proactive regarding what you will do as an employee...Good for you...it was the best thing to do in this situation...You understood your contract terms and communicated clearly, Cheers to you for that one...
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be picky, but it is "woe is I."

Sorry, I just read the book, "Woe Is I" today, and as I had nothing better to do, I thought I would take advantage of the gigantic coincidence and correct you.
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The consequences of saying no is what everyone will find interesting in a month or two.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
Not to be picky, but it is "woe is I."

Sorry, I just read the book, "Woe Is I" today, and as I had nothing better to do, I thought I would take advantage of the gigantic coincidence and correct you.


That's a GREAT book! It's "MUST" reading for English teachers. Plus...it's pretty funny!
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend got approached by a coteacher and she wanted him to give her English lessons on his day off. He said no. He needs his time off. She asked him "are you Christian?" I guess the idea is if he was Christian then why was he acting in such an unchristian way, you know not violating the terms of his visa is so unChristian. He told her flat out he did not believe in god and bye.

I mostly just respond "If I teach outside of the school, then I'm too tired to teach in school. I want to give our actual customers 100% not 80%."
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
Not to be picky, but it is "woe is I."

Sorry, I just read the book, "Woe Is I" today, and as I had nothing better to do, I thought I would take advantage of the gigantic coincidence and correct you.


Actually no, "Woe is me" is a very famous quote and has been used for centuries.


EDIT: I tried to post a link from the Boston Globe in support, but it doesn't recognize it. Type in "Woe is me vs woe is I" into Google and look on the first page of results for an article from the Boston Globe. It will explain why.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inkoreaforgood wrote:
The consequences of saying no is what everyone will find interesting in a month or two.



The consequences of saying no (should there be any) will be met with the consequences of saying "Goodbye" which equates to the consequences of the school losing all that funding for the foreign teacher (much of which is pocketed by the local education office/school officials). And since my school is in a rural area and given that the official from my district's Education Office has complained that it is very difficult and stressful finding teachers to work in rural areas, they can kiss my sit-upon.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
A friend got approached by a coteacher and she wanted him to give her English lessons on his day off. He said no. He needs his time off. She asked him "are you Christian?" I guess the idea is if he was Christian then why was he acting in such an unchristian way, you know not violating the terms of his visa is so unChristian. He told her flat out he did not believe in god and bye.

I mostly just respond "If I teach outside of the school, then I'm too tired to teach in school. I want to give our actual customers 100% not 80%."



JESUS= HEAVEN
NO JESUS=HELL
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Conservative wrote:
meangradin wrote:
Not to be picky, but it is "woe is I."

Sorry, I just read the book, "Woe Is I" today, and as I had nothing better to do, I thought I would take advantage of the gigantic coincidence and correct you.


Actually no, "Woe is me" is a very famous quote and has been used for centuries.


EDIT: I tried to post a link from the Boston Globe in support, but it doesn't recognize it. Type in "Woe is me vs woe is I" into Google and look on the first page of results for an article from the Boston Globe. It will explain why.


A quote from the author:




Quote:
Q: I love your book, but I have a question about the title. How come it�s Woe Is I and not Woe Is Me or Woe Am I? Is there a reason?

A: I chose the title Woe Is I to poke fun at hypercorrectness. The butt of the joke is the old rule of English grammar (now considered excessively formal) that required the nominative case after the verb �to be.� (Example: using �It is I� instead of �It is me� or �It's me.�) I wanted to show how ridiculous we sound when we go overboard in the name of correctness. Here�s how I put it in the preface to the second edition:

�While �Woe is I� may appear technically correct (and that�s a matter of opinion), the expression �Woe is me� has been good English for generations. Only a pompous twit�or an author trying to make a point�would use �I� instead of �me� here.�
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Job Conservative!

While I find the Springer like airing of dirty laundry here entertaining, there really isn't any necessity to ask advice about every little request made.

In the Conservative's situation, all went well. It very well could be because he has a good relationship with his school.

Of course, if it had not gone well. Let's say, this starts a domino process of bad feelings between him and his employer leading to bad schedules, complaints about his teaching, refusal to pay insuarance and tax, late payments, and severance, and of course the trips to the labor board then the Conservative would have had good reason to come to this board and ask away.

But, there is a good lesson here: Usually if you are direct, and communicate well, there is little reason why a reasonable school would not listen to you.

Good on you the Conservative.
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had something similar happen. My school asked me to teach teachers and offered me money for it. I simply told them the only times I am free to teach, and that was it. They never got back to me on the idea of teaching them again. Sometimes a good way to turn them down is to make it impossible for them to agree.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be dating myself but...when I was a kid there was this TV cartoon character(from Loony Tunes?) who was always saying "Oh, woe is me!"....

Anyway, to the OP: It's not clear to me whether or not this was a "one-off" thing or were they expecting you to work after 5 Mon.-Fri. or...what?

It seems strange to me that they would all of a sudden schedule a taechers' class so late in the term. Then again, many things in Korea seem strange to me.... Wink
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
I'll be dating myself but...when I was a kid there was this TV cartoon character(from Loony Tunes?) who was always saying "Oh, woe is me!"....

Anyway, to the OP: It's not clear to me whether or not this was a "one-off" thing or were they expecting you to work after 5 Mon.-Fri. or...what?

It seems strange to me that they would all of a sudden schedule a taechers' class so late in the term. Then again, many things in Korea seem strange to me.... Wink


It wasn't a one-off thing, it would have been a regular Monday to Friday thing. And yes they wanted me to teach from 5PM-6PM every day. However it would have likely been past 6PM since I have classes that finish at 4:50 and it takes nearly 30 minutes by bus to get back into town and down to the education office. And that's not counting the time I have to wait for a bus...

So if my finish time had actually been 6 PM, then my class at the education office would be about 15 minutes long, max. Which makes the whole thing kind of pointless anyway.

Some people might think that I should have just done the class. But if I am going to let them violate my contract like that...what is the point of having a contract in the first place?
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