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thepeel
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 Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: Populist politician blasts Koran, Mohammed |
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Populist politician blasts Koran, Mohammed
DUTCH anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders was quoted as urging Muslims to dump half the Koran and saying he would chase the Prophet Mohammed out of the country if he was alive today.
"Islam is a violent religion. If Mohammed lived here today I could imagine chasing him out of the country tarred and feathered as an extremist," Mr Wilders told De Pers daily in an interview.
Mr Wilders, who is seen as an heir to murdered populist Pim Fortuyn and whose new party won nine seats out of the 150 in Parliament in November elections, has warned of a "tsunami of Islamisation" in a country home to one million Muslims.
"I know that we're not going to have a Muslim majority in the next couple of decades, but it is growing," he said.
"You no longer feel that you're living in your own country. There is a battle under way and we must defend ourselves. There will soon be more mosques than churches here."
Mr Wilders, who has lived under heavy guard since 2004 when a Dutch-Moroccan killed filmmaker and Islam critic Theo van Gogh, has campaigned to ban the Muslim burqa veil, wants to freeze immigration and ban new mosques and religious schools.
"If Muslims want to stay here they must tear out half of the Koran and throw it away. They shouldn't listen to the imam. I've read the Koran ... and I know that there are enough awful things in it," he said. |
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21224183-950,00.html
The Saudis are seething, of course.
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RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia wants an apology from a Dutch politician who said Muslims should "tear out half the Koran" if they wanted to live in his country and has asked the Dutch government to intervene, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.
The Dutch government, which said it did not agree with the remarks made by populist anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders, confirmed that foreign ministry officials held informal talks last week with the Saudi embassy in The Hague.
"It (the embassy) appealed to the appropriate authorities on the need for Wilders' insulting statements to be withdrawn and an apology given to Muslims," the Saudi newspaper al-Watan reported.
"The embassy has demanded that the Dutch side put an end to such statements and actions." |
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21224183-950,00.html |
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jinju
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Saudi Arabia is an evil shithole |
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wannago
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Saudi Arabia is an evil *beep* |
Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. I can remember coming back through the Jeddah airport, having my bag opened and my Bible pulled out and confiscated. Never saw it again. I'll never forget the guy's face...pure disgust at having to touch it....with latex gloves, of course. I'm sure it was given all the respect they could give it.
When it comes to religion, the Saudis take the cake on intolerance. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. |
Who are you arguing with here? I don't think even the Saudis themselves claim to be practitioners of religious tolerance. |
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twg
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. |
Who are you arguing with here? |
Anyone who gets within listening distance? |
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gsxr750r
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree. The sauds have no room to complain. I'd like to see how they would react if a Koran were torn up at an airport. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree. The sauds have no room to complain. I'd like to see how they would react if a Koran were torn up at an airport. |
We know how they would react. The would rape, kill, bomb and destroy all in their enraged path. This is the difference between civilized cultures, the Netherlands, for example, and uncivilized cultures, like Saudi. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. |
Who are you arguing with here? I don't think even the Saudis themselves claim to be practitioners of religious tolerance. |
Actually, before I went there to work, I was told by a Saudi that was doing recruitment for the job, that I could worship as I chose. I then asked him where the nearest church to my residence would be and there was no reply because there are no churches and certainly no synagogues in Saudi. I could worship in my own home but could not bring my Bible. It wasn't too big of a deal to practice simply because there are covert churches all over the place. Its still possible to get thrown in prison for congregating and worshipping, but not usally to westerners. |
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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It should be remembered that this Dutch politician is representative of a vocal minority in his country.
Most countries have their own version of a Wilders, a controversial politician, or party, whose claim to fame is their unaplogetic populist racism (or religionism here).
I'm thinking of Australia's Pauline Hanson, America's David Duke and Britains BNP.
I watched the Hanson phenomena with interest, and while I thought she was actually representing the views and concerns of her supporters, or those who rallied to her, hers was not the most sophisticated of views. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Wilders represent a large number of Dutch who see Islam as being incompatible with the Netherland's tolerant society. The question is this: How does a tolerant society tolerate an intolerant minority? Is toleration a suicide pact? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| The question is this: How does a tolerant society tolerate an intolerant minority? Is toleration a suicide pact? |
I suppose one solution is for the tolerant majority to give up its belief in tolerance and begin to practice intolerance in order to teach the intolerant minority that toleration is an important principal of the society. If the majority is successful, then you will have a nice tolerant minority and an intolerant majority. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| There are intolerant politicians all over the world. I don't think this Dutch politician is the paradigm of tolernace, but Saudi Arabia should focus on moderating its own fanatics before lecturing Holland. However, Saudi Arabia's monarchy must have the illusiion of appearing to be religious and the Dutch government can't make this fellow apologize. He is responding to a certain constituency to attract votes for his party. It is just politics, though it is kind of a dirty politics. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Saudi Arabia is an evil *beep* |
Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. I can remember coming back through the Jeddah airport, having my bag opened and my Bible pulled out and confiscated. Never saw it again. I'll never forget the guy's face...pure disgust at having to touch it....with latex gloves, of course. I'm sure it was given all the respect they could give it.
When it comes to religion, the Saudis take the cake on intolerance. |
I'm curious about the latex gloves - I've heard that touching another person's Koran with your hands is a definite no-no. If they were forced to confiscate a person's Koran then would they use latex gloves there too? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| wannago wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Saudi Arabia is an evil *beep* |
Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. I can remember coming back through the Jeddah airport, having my bag opened and my Bible pulled out and confiscated. Never saw it again. I'll never forget the guy's face...pure disgust at having to touch it....with latex gloves, of course. I'm sure it was given all the respect they could give it.
When it comes to religion, the Saudis take the cake on intolerance. |
I'm curious about the latex gloves - I've heard that touching another person's Koran with your hands is a definite no-no. If they were forced to confiscate a person's Koran then would they use latex gloves there too? |
I've read things by Muslim scholars and apologists critiquing the bible, comparing it to the koran, etc. Presumably, during the course of their research, they actually had to touch a bible. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| wannago wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Saudi Arabia is an evil *beep* |
Oh those noble Saudis and their religious tolerance. I can remember coming back through the Jeddah airport, having my bag opened and my Bible pulled out and confiscated. Never saw it again. I'll never forget the guy's face...pure disgust at having to touch it....with latex gloves, of course. I'm sure it was given all the respect they could give it.
When it comes to religion, the Saudis take the cake on intolerance. |
I'm curious about the latex gloves - I've heard that touching another person's Koran with your hands is a definite no-no. If they were forced to confiscate a person's Koran then would they use latex gloves there too? |
I've read things by Muslim scholars and apologists critiquing the bible, comparing it to the koran, etc. Presumably, during the course of their research, they actually had to touch a bible. |
All customs people that I've seen that paw through people's luggage wear gloves of some sort. I just mentioned it because he looked as though that Bible was something filthy.
I think its OK for a muslim to touch another muslim's koran but an infidel can get in very serious trouble for doing the same thing. |
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