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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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 Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: teaching ESL in Iraq in 50 years |
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do you think in 50 years, our grandkids will be teaching esl in iraq?
imagine all the similarities...
-they'll probably be posting on "saddam's esl cafe",
-and complaining about how the beer sucks,
-be amazed how the camels spit everywhere,
-avoid middle-aged-women who push at the market place for lamb meat
-try to survive the little terrorists in the classrooms as they do everything possible to make teaching a torture.
-wonder constantly about how to date the local women/men
-get frustrated by the inability of iraqis to adopt western customs and culture...or in politically correct speak, their inability to become global citizens...lol
if we take this thought experiment far enough,
can both koreans and expats that reside here learn more about why things are the way they are in korea today....?
....especially, regarding the schizophrenic relationship between korea and america?
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Corky
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| They'll be teaching Mandarin in Iraq in 50 years. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: Re: teaching ESL in Iraq in 50 years |
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| jhaelin wrote: |
do you think in 50 years, our grandkids will be teaching esl in iraq?
imagine all the similarities...
-they'll probably be posting on "saddam's esl cafe",
-and complaining about how the beer sucks,
-be amazed how the camels spit everywhere,
-avoid middle-aged-women who push at the market place for lamb meat
-try to survive the little terrorists in the classrooms as they do everything possible to make teaching a torture.
-wonder constantly about how to date the local women/men
-get frustrated by the inability of iraqis to adopt western customs and culture...in other words, their inability to become global citizens...lol
if we take this thought experiment far enough,
can both koreans and expats that reside here learn more about why things are the way they are in korea today....?
....especially, regarding the schizophrenic relationship between korea and america? |
Good post from a thoughtful Korean or Gyopo. Pretty humourous, too. |
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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Good post from a thoughtful Korean or Gyopo. Pretty humourous, too. |
just curious, why my identity as a korean, gyopo, white-american, black-american, red-american, or martian has anything to do with this post?
i am curious why this responder had to clarify my ethno-national identity?
as if it is relevant for reading of the post....hmmmm |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jhaelin wrote: |
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| Good post from a thoughtful Korean or Gyopo. Pretty humourous, too. |
just curious, why my identity as a korean, gyopo, white-american, black-american, red-american, or martian has anything to do with this post?
i am curious why this responder had to clarify my ethno-national identity?
as if it is relevant for reading of the post....hmmmm |
It helped me identify this kind of humor as being typical of a certain ethnic group rather than any of a number of different ethnicities.
How that helps is a good question, but anyway it helps. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: teaching ESL in Iraq in 50 years |
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| jhaelin wrote: |
do you think in 50 years, our grandkids will be teaching esl in iraq?
imagine all the similarities...
-they'll probably be posting on "saddam's esl cafe",
-and complaining about how the beer sucks,
-be amazed how the camels spit everywhere,
-avoid middle-aged-women who push at the market place for lamb meat
-try to survive the little terrorists in the classrooms as they do everything possible to make teaching a torture.
-wonder constantly about how to date the local women/men
-get frustrated by the inability of iraqis to adopt western customs and culture...or in politically correct speak, their inability to become global citizens...lol
if we take this thought experiment far enough,
can both koreans and expats that reside here learn more about why things are the way they are in korea today....?
....especially, regarding the schizophrenic relationship between korea and america? |
So you mean that all the public school textbooks, the news media and the legislature will be in English, and therefore, English will be their second language.
I think you mean EFL. |
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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| So you mean that all the public school textbooks, the news media and the legislature will be in English, and therefore, English will be their second language. |
i don't know,
what extent of autonomy iraq will possess in 50 years.
maybe they will be taught in english?
considering that the biggest (permanent) military base in history is being built in the green zone, bagdhad....
iraq (or what was once called iraq) may very well become a puerto rico or guam of the middle east.
but you're right efl would be the most accurate term to use.
i'm discouraged, though, that this point was the only one (of the many possible ones) that you chose to focus on -based on the post topic.... : (
btw-we should tell dave to change the website as well to correctly match the defined use for these terms.
it should be...
"DAVE'S EFL CAFE"
lol
unless you take the view that there really is only one empire, and it's an empire that speaks english, and all the colonies in that sense are ESL users,
they just don't know yet...
but they will when the military bases show up... |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jhaelin wrote: |
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| So you mean that all the public school textbooks, the news media and the legislature will be in English, and therefore, English will be their second language. |
i don't know,
what extent of autonomy iraq will possess in 50 years.
maybe they will be taught in english?
considering that the biggest (permanent) military base in history is being built in the green zone, bagdhad....
iraq (or what was once called iraq) may very well become a puerto rico or guam of the middle east.
but you're right efl would be the most accurate term to use.
i'm discouraged, though, that this point was the only one (of the many possible ones) that you chose to focus on -based on the post topic.... : (
btw-we should tell dave to change the website as well to correctly match the defined use for these terms.
it should be...
"DAVE'S EFL CAFE"
lol
unless you take the view that there really is only one empire, and it's an empire that speaks english, and all the colonies in that sense are ESL users,
they just don't know yet...
but they will when the military bases show up... |
Your story was interesting and relative to what we do. It is interesting to think of where the English teaching positions will be in the future.
As far as the ESL/EFL thing. It is almost like "the emperor has no clothes" on this board, or no one cares to correctly define what they do for a living. As far as the name of this site, eslcafe sounds better to my ear than eflcafe. But that doesnt mean I go on to incorrectly define other situations where we should use EFL or other terms.
But you are right, who knows whether or not Iraq becomes a colony of the US and English is a second language there. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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This thread seriously offends me and I resent the implications of the OP.
Everyone knows that I'll be the one pushing the middle-aged ladies aside to get at that lamb meat, not the other way around. |
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swetepete
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I quite disagree with the premise. Rather than the Arabic world learning to speak English, I feel it is the other way around. I have it all figured out...
1)To truly piss us off, our children and grandchildren will realize that the only way to really rebel against our secular, pleasure seeking, materialist society is to become radical aesthetes--especially Islamist ones. They will bomb us and curbstomp us with the skills they learn playing "Grand Theft Auto 6: Baghdad Pimpin'" and "Counterstrike."
2) China will die of cancer from all the dioxins and cigarettes.
3) The west coast of North America will fall into the sea, the eastern seaboard will get nuked by various different factions, and the flatlander survivors will all either get Raptured or convert to Scientology. The smart ones will convert to Islam because at least they have tidy looking, comfortable gowns and burkhas and stuff (see point 1).
4) Europeans will continue to have no children, and quickly die out.
5) The South Americans, Africans, and Antipodeans will mind their own business, and not bother trying to take over the world. They'll be too thirsty anyway, what with all their water gone.
Therefore, the next big expansionist language will be Arabic. Nobody else cares enough to bother, except China, and they're doomed (point 2). |
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