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[superacidjax]

Most vegetarians are a bunch of morons. There are a few people that biologically can't have meat -- those are not the people about whom I am refering. Phyenalketonuriacs, etc can't eat meat because of significant adverse health effects. Bona fide medical vegetarianism is a different topic.

The Vegetarians to whom I'm refering are those Portland, Oregon types that don't eat meat because they feel some kind of guilt over eating an animal. Vegans are even worse.

But the most moronic group of all vegetarians has to be pregnant women who are vegetatians.

Here's a link to a new BBC story about the value of fish during pregnancy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6361253.stm

It basically states that kids whose mothers ate fish twice a week during pregnancy had higher IQs and motor skills at age 5 than non-fish eating mothers.

Another ridiculous sub-group of vegetarians are those ignorant people that feed their dogs vegetarian diets. Hmm. A dog is a carnivore. The enzymes in their digestive system are designed for meat. Biologically, dogs must eat meat.

Why is it nearly all vegans are sickly and pale? I've never met a vegan athlete. Must be the diet.

[lepid gecko]

You're welcome to your opinion, I'll just respond on a purely factual level. I've been vegetarian since birth, and have been to a doctor a handful of times throughout my childhood.

There are plenty of people who don't eat the right diet, both vegetarians and meat-eaters, that's the real point.

[pdx]

i like that you labeled them "Portland, Oregon" types.

There are many, many reasons people become vegetarians. I stopped eating meat for a while (wouldn't call myself vegetarian.. wasn't THAT committed.. am eating meat now), but the "poor little animals" were not my concern. I believe that we were made to eat meat, so thinking about fluffy little animals was not my reason for not eating meat.

[Sincinnatislink]

Many leftists believe that beef and pork are insanely wasteful (and therefore unsustainable food sources), a serious concern in light of projections for population growth.

It can be done healthily, but inertia is an issue. And there's no reason to avoid chicken - well, bird flu and shit.

[Rteacher]

Many studies have shown that vegetarian diets are healthier especially for prevention of heart disease (or that may be because meat-eaters tend to be more heartless )

Vegetarians have to be alert to finding vegetarian alternative sources for some essential nutrients, though, including Omega 3 fatty acids which (as the OP implies...) is provided mainly by fish. Good vegetarian sources of Omega 3 fatty acids are flaxseeds, flaxseed oil, walnuts, olive oil, avocados, and canola oil...

Vegetarians like me - who also eat milk products - have less to worry about as far as complete proteins (and we even unintentionally consume fish oil that's often added to regular milk to boost its Vitamin D ...) Of course, Vitamin D can be gotten sufficiently just by getting enough sunshine ...

There are debates over particulars, but a sensible vegetarian diet is arguably healthier than a diet that includes meat - and it's definitely healthier for the aproximately TEN BILLION poor animals (not counting fish...) that are slaughtered each year in the U.S. alone.

And, if vegetarian diets were taken up by more people, it would be much healthier for the environment in general. Besides all the documented environmental destruction caused by meat-industry practices, a recent UN report says that a person (or family) can do more to prevent harmful greenhouse gas emissions by switching to a vegetarian diet than by switching to a hybrid car... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_nutrition http://www.meatout.org/MeatoutMondays/animals.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_benefits_of_Vegetarianism http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/vegetarian-is-the-new-pri_b_39014.html

[superacidjax]

[superacidjax]

You guys are missing the point. Science has proven that children NEED animal proteins. Some people have "been vegetarian since birth.." that's great, but how much smarter would you have been had you have Omega 3 oils?

As far as sustainable.. that's a bunch of crap. Greenhouse emissions from animals are negligable. Global Warming (caused by humans) is a myth. Humans (and animals) have been eating meat since the beginning of time. It's arrogant to think that people are powerful enough to really affect the big picture. A volcanic eruption causes more greenhouse harm in ten minutes than humans have for 100 years.

[RACETRAITOR]

In North America we have grain surpluses, so being a little wasteful on less efficient forms of foods is forgiveable. Of course, this issue becomes a little more complicated if you wonder why the surplus grains can't just be shipped to a starving country instead, which is a lot less forgiveable, but that's not what vegetarianism is about.

I say the biggest food issue in the world is surplus and the lack of sharing, and vegetarianism will never fix that.

Also, I think forcing kids to be vegetarian is akin to child abuse.

[Sister Ray]

[huffdaddy]

[Rteacher]

The ten billion figure is cited on more than a few websites, and over 90% of that total is chickens. Here's from one website (a little confusing because they go from millions with most animals then "thousands of millions" (i.e. billions...) when they get to chickens...

U. S. ANIMAL AGRICULTURE CLAIMS 10 BILLION VICTIMS IN 2003

The total number of mammals and birds raised and killed for food in the U.S. this year is expected to exceed 10 billion for the first time in U.S. history, according to extrapolation of data from USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS). This is a 0.7% increase over the 2002 figure of 9,997 million. The number of fishes and other aquatic organisms killed for human and animal food is not reported and is likely to exceed that number.

The 2003 total of 10,064 million includes 41.2 million cattle and calves (up 0.5% from 2002), 133 million pigs (up 13%), 4.1 million sheep (unchanged), 291 million turkeys (down 5.2%), and 25.5 million ducks (unchanged), 9,144 million "broilers" (up 0.7%) and 425 million laying hens (up 0.2%).
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-anag2003.html
http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/2002/000318.html

As far as intelligence is concerned, I'm at least as smart as any of the meat-heads, turkeys and tak moris on these forums - and I've had no meat, fish or eggs for over 33 years (I can't speak for vegans, though - or followers of some fad diets like macrobiotics ...)

In fact, you can check out how intelligent (and over-nourished...) I look at this link - http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=78872 (Hey, bump that thread - even if it's with an insult - to keep it from falling off the first page of the "General" forum to page 2 oblivion ...)

[jaderedux]

[Sister Ray]

[Rteacher]

I don't dispute that most of the dairy industry abuses and kills cows. Theoretically, - and demostrated practically in some model farm communities - cows milk can be produced for human consumption without any abuse or slaughter of the animals...

I do disagree, however - based on Vedic knowledge - that cows' milk is not intended for humans. In ancient times, the cows would supply surplus milk for humans as well as for their calves because they felt loved and protected by enlightened farmers.

For that reason, in India cows are still widely considered to be one of our mothers (along with our birth mother and "Mother Earth"...) and to embody the mode of goodness. In Vedic culture, all rituals and sacrifices are performed using clarified butter (ghee) and even cow dung is considered pure enough to cleanse temple floors. When analyzed by a famous Indian scientist, cow dung was confirmed to have all antiseptic properties (at least before flies land on it...)

[SirFink]