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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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 Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: I've decided to say "No" |
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I love to upgrade. I always look forward to new releases of my favorite software because it's fun to play with new features and see how the GUI has changed etcetera. However, with Vista I've decided not to upgrade.
Windows XP is an excellent operating system with zero fatal flaws. It's incredibly stable, works how I want it to, and is compatible with all modern hardware - it's also not a big resource hog.
Windows Vista on the other hand has no compelling reasons to upgrade and several reasons not to. I'm especially not impressed with all the built in DRM (which uses incredible amounts of processing power), the restrictions on reinstalling windows (only 2 times), having your O/S become invalidated if you upgrade your hardware. Gee, I guess we should never upgrade hard drives or replace equipment that becomes defective. Instead of adding a blu-ray DVD drive when the price is reasonable, I'll stick to my old style drive because the upgrade may cause my O/S to invalidate.
The more I read about Vista, the more I hope that it goes the way of WindowsME and gets quickly replaced with an O/S that actually has new features worth paying money for, and is not restrictive, to the point of being offensive, with user rights. |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| 100% agreement. |
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Col.Brandon
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| Damn straight. I hope customers stay away in droves and teach MS not to suck up to the recording companies and Hollywood. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: Re: I've decided to say "No" |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
I love to upgrade. I always look forward to new releases of my favorite software because it's fun to play with new features and see how the GUI has changed etcetera. However, with Vista I've decided not to upgrade.
Windows XP is an excellent operating system with zero fatal flaws. It's incredibly stable, works how I want it to, and is compatible with all modern hardware - it's also not a big resource hog.
Windows Vista on the other hand has no compelling reasons to upgrade and several reasons not to. I'm especially not impressed with all the built in DRM (which uses incredible amounts of processing power), the restrictions on reinstalling windows (only 2 times), having your O/S become invalidated if you upgrade your hardware. Gee, I guess we should never upgrade hard drives or replace equipment that becomes defective. Instead of adding a blu-ray DVD drive when the price is reasonable, I'll stick to my old style drive because the upgrade may cause my O/S to invalidate.
The more I read about Vista, the more I hope that it goes the way of WindowsME and gets quickly replaced with an O/S that actually has new features worth paying money for, and is not restrictive, to the point of being offensive, with user rights. |
I agree with you but your post has some very bad loopholes.
DRM in windows Vista is not enforced by the OS. Its supposed to be enforced by the program displaying the said copyrighted material. MS only put in the API to enable it. It looks like the DRM has been bypassed and NO one is using the DRM API. Its been cracked for quite some time. I don't really see the point of HD Movies anyway. DVD quality is good enough.. Then again I don't really want to store 11-20gig movies on my HD. Still watch DIVX/XVID. So when the program doesn't use the DRM API it requires ABSOLUTLEY no extra computational time or power.
You really are behind the times on the 2 installs thing.. They changed the EULA a long time ago that now currently states that you can install the OS on a new machine as long as you remove it from the previous machine.
So both of your points are invalid. Sorry.. Next time make sure to do some homework before slaming VISTA..
I am not wholy impressed with vista its not the biggest change from XP. But what impresses me is the fact its so DAMN stable especialy when it comes to video drivers/3d. In xp I had enourmous problems using two displays using one for games and one for shows.. It just didn't work.. Now I can play a game on one screen and watch tv on the other..
I am using Vista Ultimate using Vlite I shrunk Vista by a whoping 5 gigs. I only kept stuff that I use.
I do appreciate the new search feature.. Its nice and fast unlike xp which couldn't find a file if it took a dump on its XP head.
The OS is snappy but it has a cost, its superprefetch really eats a lot of ram.. But hey I got 4 gigs  its cheap plus Maya now doesn't have a problem with it like it did under xp 64. The UI I think is better, better placment of user profile is nice. There are some other general benefits to the OS but I will not kid you I spent good 4 hours tweaking the *beep* out of it. |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| I keep praying for GoogleOS. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| gsxr750r wrote: |
| I keep praying for GoogleOS. |
It will be a Web based OS or desktop.. Thats the new trend they are already field marketing it. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Re: I've decided to say "No" |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| . There are some other general benefits to the OS but I will not kid you I spent good 4 hours tweaking the *beep* out of it. |
who wants to spend 4 hours tweaking their OS. I DON'T. one draw back that superhero didn't mention, i think, is that MS resrves the right to remove software without your permission. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: I've decided to say "No" |
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| ulsanchris wrote: |
| Wrench wrote: |
| . There are some other general benefits to the OS but I will not kid you I spent good 4 hours tweaking the *beep* out of it. |
who wants to spend 4 hours tweaking their OS. I DON'T. one draw back that superhero didn't mention, i think, is that MS resrves the right to remove software without your permission. |
I spent tweaking xp as well. I am huge gpedit guy  |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I won't use Vista because there is nothing in it for the end-user.
Vista wasn't made for us. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I still find it bizarre that people get excited about a new software upgrade. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's typically called "improved functionality". Improvement is good and with newer version typically the product is made better. This is a law of tech, that things will always improve - at least with the condition in mind that there is some ideal in mind that we are trying to achieve.
If you see no use in being excited about a software upgrade, then use Photoshop 6 and tell me that there is nothing to hope for or feel somewhat positive about the hope of using something better.
I suppose it may have something to do with how one uses their computer, but for me, it's a indispensable tool that I need, and I need it to perform and function with me (the user) in mind., I happily welcome upgrades as this is typically what devs have in mind.
Though, I must say, lately it seems that some companies are more interested in releasing upgrades that have little to do with the user and more to do with industry standards being enforced. I view Vista this way; we don't really need it, but MS is trying to be on the forefront of piracy and internet control. Thus, they release a beast that is solely intended to keep things in check for devs and governments. |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/02/27/windows-vista-im-breaking-up-with-you/
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Windows Vista: I�m Breaking up with You
February 27, 2007 at 2:29 am � in Technology, Microsoft � Comments � Related
No, seriously. When I have the time, I�m �upgrading� from Windows Vista to Windows XP. My keyboard is completely ambiguous.
I stand by my original assertion that the shipping version of this OS is late beta, at best. I realize that other enthusiasts are leaving Windows altogether (and leaping instead to Apple�s OS X), but there�s not yet enough momentum behind my willingness to do that. I�ll leave the installs of Vista 32 and 64 on this PC, but I�ll spend most (if not all) of my time back in tried-and-true Windows XP.
I�ll give Vista a second chance when the first service pack is released later this year, but until then�
1. My scanner doesn�t really work (Hewlett-Packard Laserjet 3052). HP hasn�t caught up with support yet, and software updates won�t be available until SP1 time-frame. The software works like a charm in XP - amazingly well, as a matter of fact.
2. Windows Movie Maker crashes on a regular basis.
3. My IPFax software doesn�t work (the driver will likely never be updated to be Vista-compliant). Never, EVER caused me a problem in XP. I need this software to work, and dual-booting to use this is not an option.
4. I still can�t get my Lifecam to work, but wound up purchasing the vastly superior Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision instead (which puts Microsoft�s new webcam software AND hardware series to shame).
5. On the same machine (AMD Quad FX), XP trumps Vista in terms of performance. I don�t have specific benchmarks on hand, but I can tell you the difference is quite palpable. This is even with most of Vista�s eye candy tuned to a dull roar. We�ll see if it runs just as quickly when everything�s reinstalled there. I only discovered this after rebooting to try my scanner in XP - blazing differences, similar tasks.
6. NVIDIA chipsets and video cards. Need I say more?
7. I simply can�t get to my OS X machine from Vista (or mount a WebDAV server).
8. Copernic Desktop Search, a far superior desktop search client to Microsoft�s, either doesn�t like Vista or Outlook 2007 - not sure which, yet. Either way, I can�t run it right now - and the Windows Desktop Search tool is still as lame as ever (sorry, Brandon). I�ll miss the new Start Menu, but I think there�s similar third-party software that�ll keep me happy in the meanwhile.
9. Explorer keeps losing my view settings. THIS IS DRIVING ME UP THE FARKING WALL! Now, I realize that XP suffers from this problem as well, but it�s never been this bad. There are so many new options that it�s difficult to reset each window�s view every time - including column headers, which are now permanently stuck on �Tags� and �Date Taken� (even though I may not be in a folder with objects supportive of these fields). Yes, I realize this problem stretches back centuries - but it seems to have gotten worse, not better.
10. My workaday software still seems to suffer from weird quirks now and again. I really don�t have the time or patience to wait for each developer to catch up just so I can go on living my life. All these little annoyances are starting to add up to one major headache. Instead of detailing each one separately (and extending this list exponentially), I�m just wrapping all of �em together into one point.
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.spendmatters.com/index.cfm/2007/2/27/Vista--Outlook-2007-is-a-Nightmare
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Vista, Office and Outlook 2007 are a Nightmare
Posted At : February 27, 2007 6:21 AM
Related Categories: Spend Management
Hey, category managers in charge of IT spend. Want to make yourself a friend of the business for life? I've got a secret for you: don't rubberstamp your CIO's decision to upgrade to Vista or Office 2007. In fact, tack on a big "reject" to the request or the requisition. And don't do it to save money. Do it to save your hide. |
And I got a laugh out of this blog post, which is down the list:
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Ever wonder where all these comments come from that fly in the face of everyone's experience? Stuff like my one - two year old boat anchor just flies with the new chrome plated Vista and Office 2007 turds from Microsoft.
Microsoft's spin team is working overtime flogging bull shit at every article and blog to try and sell some of that mountain of shit software nobody is buying. Use your head when you see these posts. My friend Paul at Microsoft Redmond says the group has tripled since the launch and they have three shifts working now. Best estimates are there are near two hundred full time spinners and bullshitters on articles just like this every day.. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| VISTA = hype and I"m not buying it this time. I'm just going to continue using XP until it is no longer supported by microsoft at which time I'll look at my options again. The thing is, I was really eager to purchase Vista for a long time in order to finally have a legit O/S but now I'm not keen at all. Like I said above I hope that Vista goes the way of WinMe and is quickly replaced by something better. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, not having tried Vista I don't really know if it is all that better than XP. I've heard it's just XP with more eye-candy. So, if it is just XP re-vamped, then I don't see any harm in going for it. |
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