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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: 18,000/hour overtime? |
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| I don't understand why so many contracts only offer 18,000/hour for overtime. That is a crap wage for overtime. For some of you that's simply working at your normal hourly rate. Hypothetically speaking, if I were getting paid less than 30,000 per hour for overtime, I wouldn't even think of putting in extra hours. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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It depends. For one thing, I don't understand why 18 isn't just rounded off to 20. Anwyay, for some, they might want overtime, but don't get it because they want too much and they'll give it to the other teacher. Sometimes OT is only available to one person.
OT work can be quite easy if you're doing it at your hagwon. Let's say your boss is giving you 20,000 and you're getting 5 hrs/wk. Right there, you've increase your monthly earnings by 400,000.
If you demand 30,000, and there's another teacher who is ok with 20,000, who's the boss going to pick?
Also, let's say you're the only one who can teach the OT. Ok, you're making 30. You teach 20 hrs/month. That's 600,000. 200,000 more. That's great. But don't you think the boss will do everything in his power to schedule the classes differently? Probably.
What if you're only teaching like 2 or 3 students per class? Bossman is losing money. Sometimes the boss doesn't get any extra tuition for your OT, as well.
It's all very situational at times, but I hear ya. It's low. Sould be time and a half. I wouldn't get all fussy about it though. There's always room for negotiation because you can always refuse to work OT. 
I signed for 25,000. That's what I make at the hagwon. Not too much, not too little. I also have another job where I refused to work under 50,000/hr.
Anything that's not during or on either end of your contracted shedule (right before your daily start time and right after your daily end time) is easier to work. If you're asked to do splits then it becomes easier to negotiate.
You can always refuse and hold out for more no matter what the contract states.
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lover.asian
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| If you demand 30,000, and there's another teacher who is ok with 20,000, who's the boss going to pick? |
Well, the boss isn't going to consider qualifications when deciding, that's for sure.  |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: Re: 18,000/hour overtime? |
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| Matt_22 wrote: |
| I don't understand why so many contracts only offer 18,000/hour for overtime. That is a crap wage for overtime. For some of you that's simply working at your normal hourly rate. Hypothetically speaking, if I were getting paid less than 30,000 per hour for overtime, I wouldn't even think of putting in extra hours. |
Article 55 of the Labor Standards Act states "An employer shall pay additional remuneration of more than fifty percentage points of normal remuneration for extended works (extended works as set forth in the provisions of Articles 52 and 58, and the proviso of Article 67) and night works (works provided from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.), Sunday or public holiday works." If your hourly wages are 17,500 Korean Won per hour, then your employer would be required to pay you extra remuneration in the amount of 26,250 Korean Won per hour. I don't think you would find an employer would agree to 26,250 per hour.
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bixlerscott
Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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17,000 Won per hour overtime is typical. It's what I get, but I am not complaining, becuase.
How many salaried positions back home pay an hourly overtime? 0
How many teaching positions at home pay overtime? 0 |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| 20-25,000 is the norm. |
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bixlerscott
Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Wow, guess I'm getting jacked over a little on that on. And the extra work (helping organize events, meeting parents on occasion, and class prep) asked of me is not overtime paid.
Now is 2.0 million won per month salary the norm? |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| bixlerscott wrote: |
Wow, guess I'm getting jacked over a little on that on. And the extra work (helping organize events, meeting parents on occasion, and class prep) asked of me is not overtime paid.
Now is 2.0 million won per month salary the norm? |
Yep, but this is a capitalist country. If you signed up for less than 2.0m, that's your own doing. Research is the key, and with it even a noob - and I'm not far from being a noob myself - can earn at least 2.4m. |
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lover.asian
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: Re: 18,000/hour overtime? |
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| alabamaman wrote: |
| Matt_22 wrote: |
| I don't understand why so many contracts only offer 18,000/hour for overtime. That is a crap wage for overtime. For some of you that's simply working at your normal hourly rate. Hypothetically speaking, if I were getting paid less than 30,000 per hour for overtime, I wouldn't even think of putting in extra hours. |
Article 55 of the Labor Standards Act states "An employer shall pay additional remuneration of more than fifty percentage points of normal remuneration for extended works (extended works as set forth in the provisions of Articles 52 and 58, and the proviso of Article 67) and night works (works provided from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.), Sunday or public holiday works." If your hourly wages are 17,500 Korean Won per hour, then your employer would be required to pay you extra remuneration in the amount of 26,250 Korean Won per hour. I don't think you would find an employer would agree to 26,250 per hour. |
Oh come on, don't go quoting the Labor Standards Act in regards to overtime or penalty clauses. That just means you are a whiner! |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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20k is crap.
I love the way these places pay you less that your hourly wage.
Even worse, dumbasses still work for that. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
20k is crap.
I love the way these places pay you less that your hourly wage.
Even worse, dumbasses still work for that. |
Yes, it is crappy. Especially when they can turn the OT on and off at any given point. Kind of like the best of both worlds for your boss.
I like 25 as long as it's concentrated into my schedule. Much more money for classes that are outside my schedule. No matter what the contract states. If you don't pay it, I don't do it. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| what kills me is a company like Cdi, with all of its problems, offers some new teachers 30,000 won as the NORMAL hourly rate. not even overtime! yet here i am with 20,000 an hour for OT. |
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wisernow
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: Depends on the length of the class |
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| Always calculate the length of your class such as is it 45 min, 50 min or 60 min. Many teachers fail to calculate the minutes and compare with classes that are 60 min long. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Depends on the length of the class |
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| Always calculate the length of your class such as is it 45 min, 50 min or 60 min. Many teachers fail to calculate the minutes and compare with classes that are 60 min long. |
I'm a stickler for that. My hours are 50 minutes. I could be mid-sentence, look at the clock, see times up, and "Ok, goodbye. See you tomorrow!" |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Whatever happened to overtime= 1.5% hourly wage?
I'd guess that most ppl can't calculate that.
Glad I'm not in that situaton...really. |
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