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stevemcgarrett
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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: IRANIAN PRESIDENT RALLIES RABBLE ROUSERS IN UAE |
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Looks like our dear leader Ahmadine-jihad-alamabad can't leave well enough alone. "Foment unrest abroad" seems to be his calling card. Never mind that he has pressing domestic problems to deal with. Aside from being badly in need of a good shave and a better tailor, the Iranian President is now rousing the legions in a Gulf State supposedly known for its adherence to modernization.
But this latest tirade only proves once again that even the most moderate Arab states are really provinicial. Tribalism thrives and as long as it does there can be no enlightened nationalism, as in some semblance of real democracy.
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Ahmadinejad blames U.S. for Mideast ills By JIM KRANE, AP
Iran's president led a raucous anti-American rally on Sunday in this tightly controlled U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf, a day after a low-key visit by Vice President Dick Cheney aimed at countering Tehran's influence in the region.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a cheering crowd that America was to blame for creating instability and robbing the region of its wealth.
"We are telling you to leave the region. This is for your benefit and the benefit of your nation," Ahmadinejad shouted to the crowd of thousands at a soccer stadium. "The nations of the region can no longer take you forcing yourself on them. [Yes, let us Iranians rule the region instead] The nations of the region know better how to create peace and security." [We've done such a good job of it on our own; just ask the Arab League].
Ahmadinejad's visit was the first by an Iranian head of state to this Sunni-led Arab country since its independence in 1971 and his rally was remarkable in a country where political parties are banned and power is held solely by tribal families.
Cheney's quiet visit Saturday to the Emirates, which hosts three American military bases, was part of a tour of the region to try to curb Iran's growing influence. On Friday, from an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf, Cheney warned Iran that the U.S. and its allies will keep it from restricting sea traffic as well as from developing nuclear weapons.
The Iranian president has ratcheted up his nation's assertiveness in the Persian Gulf, capitalizing on the Bush administration's unpopularity to challenge Washington's alliances with Arab countries in the Persian Gulf.
Sunni royal families in the Emirates and elsewhere in the region also fear Iran's growing influence, especially the Shiite country's nuclear program, and worry about being sandwiched in a U.S.-Iran war.
Ahmadinejad wants the Emirates, Oman and the other Persian Gulf Arab countries to drop their military alliances with Washington and join Iran in a regional effort to maintain stability in the energy-rich region. Washington maintains 40,000 troops on land bases in Persian Gulf countries outside Iraq and has 20,000 sailors and Marines in the region.
"Every time your name is mentioned, hatred builds up," Ahmadinejad said of the United States. [And never mind that I mention it more than anyone except Chavez]. "Go fix yourself. This is Iran's advice to you. Leave the region." [re: We want to rule Iraq]
One woman in the crowd shouted "I love you!" and Ahmadinejad paused to respond with a polite "thank you."
"God bless you for loving Iran so dearly," he told the crowd. "I love you."
The crowd, many of them expatriate Iranians, cheered Ahmadinejad and waved Iranian flags. One group carried a black banner bearing a yellow symbol seen on nuclear fallout shelters. Chants of "Down with the USA!" and "Nuclear energy is our right!" frequently interrupted the speech.
...The Iranian president received a red-carpet welcome at Abu Dhabi International Airport, where he was greeted by Emirates President Sheik Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Dubai leader Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, who is also the country's prime minister.
During his two-day visit, Ahmadinejad is to meet with government leaders in Abu Dhabi as well as Dubai, one of the world's fastest-growing cities and home to most of the 500,000-strong Iranian expatriate community. |
So what d'ya think? Is this just a diplomatic courtesy or does the UAE seem to be condoning Iranian muscle-flexing now? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: IRANIAN PRESIDENT RALLIES RABBLE ROUSERS IN UAE |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| But this latest tirade only proves once again that even the most moderate Arab states are really provinicial. |
So, the Iranian president is provincial for resisting the US, or disagreeing with it?
I mean, Iran isn't even Arab... 
Or, are you trying to say the nation where he spoke is provincial because a bunch of Iranians and locals attended a rally by a political figure? Funny, I'd think that would qualify as un-provincial. But, either way, *they* didn't engage in a tirade, the president of Iran did, so your post is nonsensical, if that was your meaning.
Let's just leave it at: your post is nonsensical.
Troll.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Middle-Eastern leaders have long played on antiAmericanism for their own reasons -- Tehran has regional-hegemonic ambitions and currently uses it to catapult itself into this position (Where are the antiimperialists to denounce these ambitions, by the way?). NPR is running a story on this as well.
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates May 14, 2007, 1:05 a.m. ET � Iran's president led a raucous anti-American rally on Sunday in this tightly controlled U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf, a day after a low-key visit by Vice President...Cheney aimed at countering Tehran's influence in the region.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a cheering crowd that America was to blame for creating instability and robbing the region of its wealth... |
NPR Reports |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Middle-Eastern leaders have long played on antiAmericanism for their own reasons |
Yeah, their animosity towards the US has NOTHING to do with us overthrowing their government, installing a repressive regime in place of a democratic one and aiding the secret police of that nation in waging war against the opposition in Iran...
You're a joke. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Still off your meds I see EFLTrainer. Your training to become an EFL teacher would go more smoothly on them too. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Pay him no attention, McGarrett. BLT not only succumbs to Tehran's childish two-wrongs-make-a-right logic, but he also defends and justifies their actions -- from the 1979 embassy and diplomatic-personnel seizure to their present nuclear ambitions. (Not to mention Iran and Syria's very probable and profitable, I might add, covert operations in Beirut and Iraq.)
Moreover, he claims to stand against imperialism but here he is apologizing for nascent Iranian regional-oriented hegemony as merely "disagreeing with and [heroically-] resisting America."
He has started at least one thread here based on Tehran's official line, uncritically quoting directly from the Iranian govt's English-language press release on the recent incident involving the Royal Navy. Just as the American govt always lies, it also follows that the Iranian govt and indeed any antiAmerican govt at all, always tells the truth. -- Does any of this really surprise you? Several here fit this profile.
Anything to stick it to W. Bush, right...? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Pay him no attention, McGarrett. BLT not only succumbs to Tehran's childish two-wrongs-make-a-right logic, but he also defends and justifies their actions -- from the 1979 embassy and diplomatic-personnel seizure to their present nuclear ambitions. (Not to mention Iran and Syria's very probable and profitable, I might add, covert operations in Beirut and Iraq.) |
Would you like to back that up, liar? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Pay him no attention, McGarrett. BLT not only succumbs to Tehran's childish two-wrongs-make-a-right logic, but he also defends and justifies their actions -- from the 1979 embassy and diplomatic-personnel seizure to their present nuclear ambitions. (Not to mention Iran and Syria's very probable and profitable, I might add, covert operations in Beirut and Iraq.) |
Would you like to back that up, liar? |
This "liar" thing is getting annoying with you. You really need to realize that eslcafe isn't the real world, and the things that are said on here don't impact the real world. It is just a place to discuss (rudely, admittedly) CE stuff.
I seldom agree with Gopher, but I think him a rather decent dude. He doesn't get in my face at all. I think you egg him on because you have (wrongly) assigned to him, in your little mind, the blame for the things you dislike about Bush et al. That is crazy.
You personalize it so consistently that I strongly believe you are fully separated from reality.
No joke. Yer Nutz! |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Este cabron esta tocado en la cabeza, que no G? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| Este cabron esta tocado en la cabeza, que no G? |
No me digas. Tal vez deber�a llamarse "El Borracho Enojado."  -- por lo menos siempre se comporta as� (siempre nos grita con mucha violencia, y en el estilo "in-your-face," como dices).
En cualquier manera, no vale la pena hablar con este borracho nada m�s, BJWD. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Middle-Eastern leaders have long played on antiAmericanism for their own reasons |
Yeah, their animosity towards the US has NOTHING to do with us overthrowing their government, installing a repressive regime in place of a democratic one and aiding the secret police of that nation in waging war against the opposition in Iran...
You're a joke. |
The US helped the Shah come to power (after saving Iran from the USSR) more than 50 years a go.
That doesn't justify terrorism and attacks on the US 20 - 30 - 50 years later.
EFL when Iran kills the translators of books in countries like Japan is that cause the US helped the Shah come to power 30 years before? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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vale.
Anyhooo..
This Iranian prez deflects attention off himself and his idiotic theocratic governing style but pointing to the great Satan. It is a ploy. The roots are in the poor history with the USA but it has moved beyond that now.
It is important to leave the Iranians alone right now. The people need to make their own changes. Authentic cultural advancement in Iran and islam more generally can only come from within. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Pay him no attention, McGarrett. BLT not only succumbs to Tehran's childish two-wrongs-make-a-right logic, but he also defends and justifies their actions -- from the 1979 embassy and diplomatic-personnel seizure to their present nuclear ambitions. (Not to mention Iran and Syria's very probable and profitable, I might add, covert operations in Beirut and Iraq.) |
Would you like to back that up, liar? |
This "liar" thing is getting annoying with you. You really need to realize that eslcafe isn't the real world, and the things that are said on here don't impact the real world. It is just a place to discuss (rudely, admittedly) CE stuff. |
Talk about needing a reqality check. Do you take yourself seriously in this post?
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| I seldom agree with Gopher, but I think him a rather decent dude. |
Gopher creates his own enemy. I tried for MONTHS to peacefully co-exist with the guy. The first six months I was on these forums. He doesn't like being called on his shit.
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| I think you egg him on because you have (wrongly) assigned to him, in your little mind, the blame for the things you dislike about Bush et al. That is crazy. |
This is idiotic. You will see posts where I agree with gopher. When he isn't lying, I don't say he is.
If anyone is taking this all too seriously, it is you. Your's is one of the more ridiculous posts I've seen here. If I were not taking him to task for the content of his posts, you would have a point. That, however, is not the case.
Given that you, also, often disagree with me (politely and otherwise), this is a bit of pot and kettle, friend.
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You personalize it so consistently that I strongly believe you are fully separated from reality.
No joke. Yer Nutz! |
It is a joke. Your post is a joke. Find all the psots by gopher over the last month where he is responding to me and see what you discover. Dare you. You will have made yourself look quite foolish if you do.
Nice hijack via the straw man, though.
You two do seem to love your dolls.
And for the record, he did lie. I have already laid that out above. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Este cabron esta tocado en la cabeza, que no G? |
No me digas. Tal vez deber�a llamarse "El Borracho Enojado." -- por lo menos siempre se comporta as� (siempre nos grita con mucha violencia, y en el estilo "in-your-face," como dices).
En cualquier manera, no vale la pena hablar con este borracho nada m�s, BJWD. |
Tu peinsas que los "mods" no hablan espanol, gopherito? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
vale.
Anyhooo..
This Iranian prez deflects attention off himself and his idiotic theocratic governing style but pointing to the great Satan. It is a ploy. The roots are in the poor history with the USA but it has moved beyond that now.
It is important to leave the Iranians alone right now. The people need to make their own changes. Authentic cultural advancement in Iran and islam more generally can only come from within. |
And just what was it, in recent history, that helped push the moderates out of power, eh? |
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