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belzoond



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Location: united states

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: A year in Korea... worth it? Reply with quote

I'm considering teaching for a year in Korea- just to make a little money and get some experience teaching EFL, but I have some misgivings.

This will be my first experience in the field. I have a BA in English and a TESOL certificate from my alma mater.

From what I've been able to find out, it's ridiculously easy to get hired in Korea, and a lot of the work seems to consist of simple conversation classes for children. Some of my concerns are:

-Is my year of experience there going to mean anything on my resume, when I go try to get work somewhere a little more competitive, like Prague (where I might have to teach something other than conversation classes)?
-Is this going to do anything for my teaching skills? How much am I going to get out of this, as a new teacher, aside from free rent?
-Has anyone here (or anyone you know) done this and actually gone on to teach EFL somewhere outside of east Asia, without a master's?
-Also, would it be hard for me to find a job in Korea teaching reading/writing instead?

If you have any feedback, thanks.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-Is this going to do anything for my teaching skills? How much am I going to get out of this, as a new teacher, aside from free rent?


I'd say 'yes', certainly. Practical experience puts all the theory and advice you got in your course work into perspective. You will also get experience in classroom management, one of the biggest obstacles for new teachers and #1 deal breaker for many people. Future employers will be more willing to hire someone with experience.

Good luck.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: A year in Korea... worth it? Reply with quote

belzoond wrote:
I'm considering teaching for a year in Korea- just to make a little money and get some experience teaching EFL, but I have some misgivings.

This will be my first experience in the field. I have a BA in English and a TESOL certificate from my alma mater.

From what I've been able to find out, it's ridiculously easy to get hired in Korea, and a lot of the work seems to consist of simple conversation classes for children. Some of my concerns are:

-Is my year of experience there going to mean anything on my resume, when I go try to get work somewhere a little more competitive, like Prague (where I might have to teach something other than conversation classes)?
-Is this going to do anything for my teaching skills? How much am I going to get out of this, as a new teacher, aside from free rent?
-Has anyone here (or anyone you know) done this and actually gone on to teach EFL somewhere outside of east Asia, without a master's?
-Also, would it be hard for me to find a job in Korea teaching reading/writing instead?

If you have any feedback, thanks.


I know from experience that you are right, jobs outside of Asia are very competitive. Additionally, they dont pay well relative to the prices of things in those locations. And if you're not from the UK, or at least if you dont have an EU passport, you will have serious trouble getting hired.

I actually went to Prague just after I finished my CELTA degree to search for a job. At this time, there are SO many people doing the same thing there; its like the opposite of Korea. There is a very small demand for labor and a huge amount supplied. The effect is lower wages... I had 2 offers, and based on the cost of living there, I would have been making just about as much as a table waiter or gas station attendant for each job.

I also looked for jobs in France and Germany. Jobs in those cities were also much more rare, and the pay was low (in France, for example, there was a job that paid 1300 Euros per month gross. Cost of living in France is about what it is in the USA so it was like making only slightly more than minimum wage.)

However,..... insofar as culture and scenery, you can't compare Europe to Asia in my opinion. Especially with respect to Korea and pretty much any place in Europe. If you dont mind living cheap and not saving money, I'd say Europe is the place to be. If you come to Korea, you can save alot of money ... and one of things you're getting paid extra for here is putting up with this place.

Finally, you asked if there's a place you can go to avoid teaching kids. Try Shanghai or HongKong... MOST jobs in Shanghai, for example, involve adult teaching. And even though your actual pay in Shanghai would not be as much as you'd make in Korea, you pay relative to the cost of living in that place would be much, much higher.
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Okibum



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend is teaching EFL legally in Spain without an EU passport. She also only makes 650 Euros a month.
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belzoond



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Location: united states

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it looks like if I ever tried Europe it would really just only be for the privilege of being there, not for the money. But can you even do Western Europe as an American at all, anymore? I was under the impression that schools in France/Spain/Germany only hire EU passport holders. I was considering Prague because it seems to be different there.
Buenos Aires, also, I'm considering... again, not for the money...

I'm just hoping that having a year's experience in Seoul will mean that I'm not regarded as a complete beginner, and give me a little edge over those who are..

(Korea isn't that bad though, right? If there are enough mountains, beaches, natural places to escape to, that'll make it a little better, for me...)
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Okibum



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's working legally as an American. Her job is to teach American culture and English with an American accent. It's hard to find people from the UK to teach American culture.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okibum wrote:
She's working legally as an American. Her job is to teach American culture and English with an American accent. It's hard to find people from the UK to teach American culture.


This is the key to finding a job. If a school really wants you they will "create" a class teaching "American English" which no EU passport holder can teach. It is tough in Prague to get a job but if you don't mind going to a smaller city (Brno, Otrava, Plzen) then you shouldn't have any problem. I am counting down the days till I get out of here and back to beautiful Czech.
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megraham



Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: prague Reply with quote

hey, your year of experience is pretty valuable in Prague. I taught there for a year, and you can be hired no problem without any experience, there are so many language schools there that its really easy to get an esl job. but if you are looking to make some money, then unless you work really hard and spend very little in prague, you wont save very much. So if you dont mind just making enough to live a comfortable life in Prague, then I would say just head there, of course, they will not pay for your flight or your housing, and the very best thing is to just take a leap of faith and move there, then look for a job, which will take about two weeks at most if you really hit the pavement.
There are adult conversation teaching jobs in Korea, that would be the most valuable experience to have in Prague, but something is better than nothing. i was there for a year and have just accepted a job and am about to move to korea, prague was a great experience, send me a message if anyone has any follow-up questions and if you are looking for a similar site as this that is useful for prague theres a great one here: www.expats.cz
good luck
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the1andonly



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Is my year of experience there going to mean anything on my resume, when I go try to get work somewhere a little more competitive, like Prague (where I might have to teach something other than conversation classes)? Like you said, any bonehead can get a job in Korea and everybody knows that. Its a melting pot for the useless and undereducated. Save a year of your life and go to China or Japan instead. Sure the money is not as good, but the experience would be better.

-Is this going to do anything for my teaching skills? How much am I going to get out of this, as a new teacher, aside from free rent?
No. You will learn how to waste time, play hangman with a group of 15 rather than 2, work 8 hours a day and your brain capacity actually decreases, live in shiit, eat shiit, smell shiiit everywhere. As a teacher you will learn nothing except for the fact that being a hagwon jockey is like being a glorified babysitter. Besides rent? Maybe free p*ssy and 800 dollars a month savings. THat's about it.

-Also, would it be hard for me to find a job in Korea teaching reading/writing instead?
This wil most likely be a small part of the shiity job.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the1andonly wrote:

-Is this going to do anything for my teaching skills? How much am I going to get out of this, as a new teacher, aside from free rent?
No. You will learn how to waste time, play hangman with a group of 15 rather than 2, work 8 hours a day and your brain capacity actually decreases, live in shiit, eat shiit, smell shiiit everywhere. As a teacher you will learn nothing except for the fact that being a hagwon jockey is like being a glorified babysitter. Besides rent? Maybe free p*ssy and 800 dollars a month savings. THat's about it.


I disagree, I am a trained science/math teacher and am still learning about teaching. While I am not a big lesson planner (I dont have to be at my hagwon, we just have to get through the book), I spend considerable time in class trying to work out how to get new language concepts into the minds of my students in a way that will have a permanent effect on their English skills.

Sure, if you are content to pass the time in class being the performing monkey, you will learn very little. But if you put some effort into teaching, it is more fun, more rewarding, and there never seems enough time to try out all the things I want to try.

At the moment I am operating in a theory free manner. I have read none of the research into how people acquire language, and at present am happy to try my own thing.

In another month or two I will spend a little time doing some reading, and see how my newly generated gut feeling about the process fits into any of the current paradigms in the field.

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jellobean



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you graduated with no debt (and even if you did), a year in Korea would make living in Europe a bit easier... It's good to have money in the bank if you want to take a job paying less than you need to live on comfortably....

If you take a public school position or an adult hagwon (I'm guessing all you'll find as a newbie is split shift for adults) you could get some useful experience.... Kiddy hagwon and there won't be much useful experience beyond classroom management...
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belzoond



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jellobean wrote:

If you take a public school position or an adult hagwon (I'm guessing all you'll find as a newbie is split shift for adults) you could get some useful experience.... Kiddy hagwon and there won't be much useful experience beyond classroom management...


Thanks. I don't really care whether I teach adults or kids as long as I get something out of it. Are the public school positions harder to get than the "kiddy hagwon" positions?
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

belzoond wrote:

Thanks. I don't really care whether I teach adults or kids as long as I get something out of it. Are the public school positions harder to get than the "kiddy hagwon" positions?


I think most of the public schools should have their positions filled now as they start March 2.

I set myself some deal breakers before starting out...

1) Had to be in Seoul.
2) No split shifts.
3) No weekends
4) Apartment supplied
5) 2 mW or more. Ended up on 2.1
5) Good overtime pay in contract.
6) all the standard stuff, like pension, medical, flights, severance.

I posted my contract here, and got some useful feedback.

h
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger, double post...

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belzoond



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnhnhyouh wrote:


I set myself some deal breakers before starting out...

1) Had to be in Seoul.
2) No split shifts.
3) No weekends
4) Apartment supplied
5) 2 mW or more. Ended up on 2.1
5) Good overtime pay in contract.
6) all the standard stuff, like pension, medical, flights, severance.

I posted my contract here, and got some useful feedback.

h


That's pretty much everything I would want, as well.
Was it hard to get all of that?


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