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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Laptop battery - good practices |
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I'm new to laptops and recently purchased a second hand laptop. I know that with many battery run products one is encouraged to regularly let the battery run out rather than doing a partial recharge. Is this the case with laptop batteries?
Basically I would like to keep my battery life as long as I can. Currently it's good for 2 hours under a reasonable load. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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They say the new Li batteries don't have this "memory" but I think that's crap. Some laptop manuals recommend not recharging until the batter falls below 50%. Batteries, I think, regardless of what % you start the charge, do have a limited number of times you can discharge/charge them, like 1000 times or something. So if you're going on battery and then plugging in your laptop twice a day, you'll probably wear out your battery in a year or so. |
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mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Location: The Middle Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
Batteries, I think, regardless of what % you start the charge, do have a limited number of times you can discharge/charge them, like 1000 times or something |
While it is true that batteries have a limited number of cycles, a half discharge and recharge only counts as half a cycle.
Most manufacturers recommend a few charge > discharge > charge cycles when you first use it.
The only reason to flatten it is so the software can reset its flat point and give a more accurate representation of charge time left. This needs to be done rarely, or never if you dont care about it drifting by a bit.
Worth a read here
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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mnhnhyouh wrote: |
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ |
Interesting link, thanks |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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my apple suggest i should calibrate the battery for my macbook every two months. I notice that the method for doing that changes from notebook to notebook. Look up how to do it at the manufacturers website. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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I totally drain my batteries on anything that takes batteries and i seem to get good battery life. I always drain my batteries on my hand phone and their battery life is almost as good when i first bought it three years ago.
I do the same with my camcorder battery, it is a infolithium type, and what i have noticed is that if i haven't used it for a long time then its charge is not very strong. but once i drain it and charge it a few times in a row then the batteries charge improves to almost the original amount. |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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My suggestion: remove your laptop battery if you're just using it as a desktop. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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jlb wrote: |
My suggestion: remove your laptop battery if you're just using it as a desktop. |
if you're using a laptop as a desktop it would be better to buy a desktop rather than waste money on something that is not as good. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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I've seen a variety of views from "reputable" sources on lithium battery use. Do an internet search and you will probably find some of them.
The most important thing is to understand that the advice to deep discharge batteries applied to the old nickel cadmium batteries, and then you only needed to do it occasionally. It was called "memory effect." If you only did a shallow discharge every time on something like a cordless phone, you might notice the shorter time you could use the batteries.
One chart on lithium batteries I saw indicated the batteries lasted longer the less you discharged them each use.
What I do know is I got a digital camera with two lithium batteries. I ran the batteries down until the camera stopped working each time, and then changed the batteries. Both batteries lasted about a year, which is not good.
I got two replacement batteries. I now charge them every week or so, regardless of how much use they have had. They are holding up fine. I have heard that lithium batteries should have a life of about 300 charges or so. So if I charge them every week, that's six years life, or so. Sounds good to me.
But if your laptop is going from charge to light discharge every day, even when it is plugged in, I'm not sure that's so good.
I guess the life of the laptop battery is ultimately contingent on the battery charger circuit in the laptop. My guess is there is a trickle charge whenever the laptop is plugged in. Check your manual.
Now if you are a laptop maker, wouldn't you have an incentive to get customers to buy a new proprietary laptop battery at $150 every year or so?
So I just take the battery out when I don't need it. And it is holding up fine after six years.
On the other hand, I believe the instruction manual for the computer said something about doing a complete charge discharge cycle with the new battery. So I suggest you read your manual, and follow the advice. |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: |
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SuperHero wrote: |
jlb wrote: |
My suggestion: remove your laptop battery if you're just using it as a desktop. |
if you're using a laptop as a desktop it would be better to buy a desktop rather than waste money on something that is not as good. |
I'd for sure agree with you. However, I use my laptop as a laptop on occasion but it just happens that in Korea I very rarely take it outside of my house. Plus, how could I travel the world with a desktop? A laptop is just more convenient if you move around a lot. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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jlb wrote: |
Plus, how could I travel the world with a desktop? A laptop is just more convenient if you move around a lot. |
pack it up and check it at the airport. Simple and you'll have a better machine than a laptop. If the only time you need to move your laptop is when you move to a new country you don't need a laptop. |
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