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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: Korean mistrust of Japanese |
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Taken from International CNN.com http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/02/philippines.sexslaves.ap/index.html
MANILA, Philippines (AP) -- Women's rights activists in the Philippines on Friday denounced a comment by Japan's prime minister that there was no evidence Japanese soldiers forced women into sexual slavery during World War II......
Few months ago, there were some discussions about the Japanese-Korean animosity owing to unfortunate history.
As a person who has lived in both Korea and Japan and as an advocate of close Japan-Korea relationship, I felt rather embarrassed about the Korean children's anti-Japanese drawing that was proudly displayed in some exhibitions. It was so characteristic of Korean that I both admire and detest - that is, direct and crude.
Typically, many posters here sided with Japanese with good reason. It is about freaking time that Koreans put aside the past and move on!!!! It has already been more than 50 years!!!
It was the same argument that I gave to my Korean girlfriend. She however replied back, "We would like to move on too but every time they seem to sincerely apologize for the war atrocity, another top powerful politician comes along and deny the whole thing again. Should we just forget it that there are some powerful Japanese politicians who actually believe "sex slave" did not exist and that those countless young Asians and some Europeans were nothing but whores?"
I stopped the argument for it was going nowhere.
And now, I read above CNN article and I feel the same exasperation as many Koreans and Asians do. Why don't they just admit their past and move on! |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Japanese, Chinese and Korean politicians bring up the war for the same reasons politicians back home bring up illegal immigrants or gay marriage:
It's a non-issue designed to get hot-heads riled up so everyone can forget what a crappy job the politician is doing. This and Noh's comments yesterday are nothing more than that. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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The problem is the United States got involved. The United States is trying to pressure Japan and Japan is trying to save face. The U.S. shouldn't have interfered in this thing if they aren't willing to talk about what happened in Turkey between the Turks and Armenians. I think these Japanese comments come on the heels of the American involvement. I can understand the involvement. What Japan did was quite bad. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
The problem is the United States got involved. The United States is trying to pressure Japan and Japan is trying to save face. The U.S. shouldn't have interfered in this thing if they aren't willing to talk about what happened in Turkey between the Turks and Armenians. I think these Japanese comments come on the heels of the American involvement. I can understand the involvement. What Japan did was quite bad. |
What a terrible time for the U.S. to exert influence anywhere in the world, eh.
TWG: What do you think about this assertion of mine? Please advise.
Sincerely,
Roch |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Just about the only time my Korean wife and I have a complete breakdown of understanding is when I try to tell her that Koreans should let the whole we-hate-Japan thing slide. I don't bring it up anymore. Hating Japan is as ingrained into the Koreans as liking apple pie is to Americans. Just let them enjoy their hate. And enjoy it they do.
Another theory is that, when a government wants to deflect the anger of public opinion away from itself, they create propaganda which directs the anger at another country. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Korean mistrust of Japanese |
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markhan wrote: |
Taken from International CNN.com http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/02/philippines.sexslaves.ap/index.html
MANILA, Philippines (AP) -- Women's rights activists in the Philippines on Friday denounced a comment by Japan's prime minister that there was no evidence Japanese soldiers forced women into sexual slavery during World War II......
Few months ago, there were some discussions about the Japanese-Korean animosity owing to unfortunate history.
As a person who has lived in both Korea and Japan and as an advocate of close Japan-Korea relationship, I felt rather embarrassed about the Korean children's anti-Japanese drawing that was proudly displayed in some exhibitions. It was so characteristic of Korean that I both admire and detest - that is, direct and crude.
Typically, many posters here sided with Japanese with good reason. It is about freaking time that Koreans put aside the past and move on!!!! It has already been more than 50 years!!!
It was the same argument that I gave to my Korean girlfriend. She however replied back, "We would like to move on too but every time they seem to sincerely apologize for the war atrocity, another top powerful politician comes along and deny the whole thing again. Should we just forget it that there are some powerful Japanese politicians who actually believe "sex slave" did not exist and that those countless young Asians and some Europeans were nothing but whores?"
I stopped the argument for it was going nowhere.
And now, I read above CNN article and I feel the same exasperation as many Koreans and Asians do. Why don't they just admit their past and move on! |
You don't say your ethnicity; are you Korean or Japanese? |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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No win situation. You will never change their minds...I've never met a Korean that had anything positive to say about Japan. But yeah, the whole Korean victim mentality is always right around the corner. After seeing what I saw in Korea, and the way that they treat people, I can't feel any sympathy for the Koreans. I guess this animosity will just continue generation after generation.... |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: yes |
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To the Op, the reason they don't own up to it is because Korea has twisted the facts, inflated the numbers, and now that it is not true anymore, Japan refuses to admit to it.
I don't blame them.
Korea won't let it rest. Ever. If you are trying to convince someone otherwise, you are wasting your time. This comfort woman thing is Korea's legacy. Everytime something bad happens to Korea, they bring up this topic and it somehow justifies everything in favour of Korea. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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It is not just the Koreans... its the Chinese and the rest of Asia that was abused by Japan.
While sometimes I too find the victim-thing annoying if a whole generation of women were raped in your country, you would probably be pretty upset and consider that other nation pretty descpicable too.
As for all of WWII, less we never forget... |
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andrew

Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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would you guys be telling the Jews to get over it if Germany always denied the holocaust?
thanks for the defense Andrew.
I kinda do agree that Korea should kind of get over it. Or at least, all the hate shouldn't be passed down from generation to generation. Maybe and hopefully, it'll go away in a couple generations. But denials by Japanese politicians aren't helping much |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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andrew wrote: |
But on the other side of the coin....
I lived in Hiroshima for awhile. Taught Japanese adults, some of whom were there on August 6, 1945 and were injured, or lost other family members. When I told them I had taught in Korea, it would inevitably start a lot of discussion. Many of them would say that Koreans were dirty, lived like pigs, that they would "cry" (we Japanese don't cry), they drank to excess, smoked too much, acted like children when they didn't get their way (we Japanese are mature), and were constantly lying about history.
I would defend the Koreans because somehow they came across sounding too smug. Regarding the comfort women issue, even the Japanese ladies would say it was "overblown" and was in the past. A lot of them did say they doubted if it really happened.
Japanese live in a denial mentality, the old as well as the young. Before I went to Japan for an extended period (not just visa runs) I too thought the Koreans needed to get over it. I still do, to a certain extent. But I now see the Japanese attitude as wrong and understand the Korean side much better. |
It's a bit surprising that they didn't just hide such thoughts inside. I guess that's my mere stereotype about Japanese. Maybe it was because you were a westerner, which I assume. Sometimes I wonder how much the opinions on 2CH (Japan's largest forum site) actually reflect the real voice of the public. If anything wrong happens, somehow it gotta be Korea's faults. It's pretty hilarious. Often it's more about the attitude that decides who you want to listen to more carefully. I feel Koreans have not been very delicate and skillful at this. Even when they got reasonable good arguments, they often blow it out in such a poor delivery that wins nothing. It usually doesn't really help much either when 13 year olds want to say something in serious discussions in which I try not to get involved as an ignorant person most times. All in all, hating wears you out. Criticize what you gotta criticize and make fun of the too wrongs.
Vancouver wrote: |
would you guys be telling the Jews to get over it if Germany always denied the holocaust? |
While every couple of years we get to watch movies that depict the hardships that the Jews had to go through during the WWII, I haven't seen any commercial film that describes Japanese atrocities. Rather the opposite. Not that there has to be one but this is more from pure curiosity. As far as I see, Japan has been given lots of indulgence after the war compared to Germany due to economic and political reasons. The weak and internally troubled neighbours around Japan were not near the position to pressure Japan in any direction. And time flew. |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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andrew wrote: |
But on the other side of the coin....
I lived in Hiroshima for awhile. Taught Japanese adults, some of whom were there on August 6, 1945 and were injured, or lost other family members. When I told them I had taught in Korea, it would inevitably start a lot of discussion. Many of them would say that Koreans were dirty, lived like pigs, that they would "cry" (we Japanese don't cry), they drank to excess, smoked too much, acted like children when they didn't get their way (we Japanese are mature), and were constantly lying about history.
I would defend the Koreans because somehow they came across sounding too smug. Regarding the comfort women issue, even the Japanese ladies would say it was "overblown" and was in the past. A lot of them did say they doubted if it really happened.
Japanese live in a denial mentality, the old as well as the young. Before I went to Japan for an extended period (not just visa runs) I too thought the Koreans needed to get over it. I still do, to a certain extent. But I now see the Japanese attitude as wrong and understand the Korean side much better. |
i know a lot of people that would agree with that comment, and they come from many countries... |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: yes |
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I am glad someone else said that, since every time I mention jews, the thread gets locked or I get a warning.
The holocaust to the jews is the same as the comfort woman issue to the Koreans. It's their legacy. If it didn't happen (lets just assume for a minute that it is true, amid the doubt), then they would have no justification to hate Japan, regulate Japanese TV in Korea, etc etc.
Just like if the holocaust never happened, the world's opinions on jews would be totally different. They would not have been able to set up Israel if not for the holocaust. Also, the word 'anti-semitism' would probably not exist.
Actually, in a way, Abe's denial is good for Korea. It gives them fuel for the hatred fire for years to come.
Vancouver wrote: |
would you guys be telling the Jews to get over it if Germany always denied the holocaust?
thanks for the defense Andrew.
I kinda do agree that Korea should kind of get over it. Or at least, all the hate shouldn't be passed down from generation to generation. Maybe and hopefully, it'll go away in a couple generations. But denials by Japanese politicians aren't helping much |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: yes |
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Ilsanman wrote: |
To the Op, the reason they don't own up to it is because Korea has twisted the facts, inflated the numbers, and now that it is not true anymore, Japan refuses to admit to it.
I don't blame them.
Korea won't let it rest. Ever. If you are trying to convince someone otherwise, you are wasting your time. This comfort woman thing is Korea's legacy. Everytime something bad happens to Korea, they bring up this topic and it somehow justifies everything in favour of Korea. |
That's about it. It's hard to think of three countries with such BS historiographies as Japan, Korea, and China. |
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