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A bow or a salute...What to do? What to do?

 
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: A bow or a salute...What to do? What to do? Reply with quote

I'm teaching in an army school and am enjoying watching the students go through the decision-making process. Since I'm not a superior officer, they don't need to salute me, but they are so used to saluting all day long that when I meet someone in the hall the arm starts up...but midway up it kind of slows when the bow-reflex kicks in.

I'm waiting for the day when the head down, arm up results in a thumb in the eye.
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are not a soldier.
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you are not a soldier.


Um, yeah, that's his point. Why are you reiterating the obvious? He's laughing because these soon to be officers are having a hard time overcoming a well drilled habit.

Ya-Ta, how are they in the classroom? Are you having a fun time teaching them? Does the school rely on rote-memorization and tests or is it more practical based?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked with the MoD in Kuwait for those 3 months and I was responible for teaching Kuwaiti soldiers who would go overseas to be trained on equipment at various overseas installations and to the senior officers that will attend the C&S colleges in Jordan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Anyway, I have some questions;
- Is it a cadet academy?
- Is the school directly connected to the military?
- Are there soldiers from other services? (Marins, AF, Navy,etc.)

First, do you have a class leader?
If there is, who is he/she?
If not, what is the criteria for you (if you have that authority) to assign one?
A class leader is responsible for conducting attendance, finding out why students are absent, who is behind and why and is your laison between your students and the military establishment.
If you have the authority to appoint a class leader, he/she has to me a senior officer (captain or above). If all your students are the same rank, find out who was in uniform the longest (that is called "Time in Service" criteria or BASD [Basic Active Service Date])

Why do I ask that?
This is the reason....

The students are supposed to be in the class before you so the class leader can conduct attendance and to give administrative news or class news before you arrive.
Then when it is time for you to go into class, the class leader will call the class to attention.

Class leader; CLASS....ATTENTION!!

Note: the class leader should be seated to your right if you are standing in front of the class and should be in the front row.

The class should stand up at the position of attention until you arrive in the front of the class. Then the class leader would hand you the attendance and you can say;

Teacher: Class.....take your seats.....
And you can start your class.

Keep in mind to keep discipline in class, if the class is too liberal, it can cause discipline problems.

You don't have to bow nor salute, that is the ceremonial role of the class leader. He might salute you when or if he says; ALL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR....and at that time you can say thank you and he would put down his salute at that time and sit down to take his role as student.

This goes for both military and civilian contracted teachers....
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ya-Ta, how are they in the classroom? Are you having a fun time teaching them? Does the school rely on rote-memorization and tests or is it more practical based?


I used to work for the navy and then due to idiocy on my part, quit. It took me a couple of years to get back into a military school. These are the kind of students any teacher would kill to have: bright, motivated, enthusiastic and cooperative.

They are all young officers, from lieutenants up to major. (We have an 'extra' class in school made up entirely of colonels--older gentlemen in their 40's.)

We use a program developed at a US military school, so the material is military oriented and very thorough. The main weakness I find is that it doesn't allow enough time for discussion/talking. I've only been at this school for a month, so I'm just beginning to bring in my own stuff. I'm not sure how far I can take it, because I do HAVE to cover the required material in the books.

The students are here for 24 weeks and ONLY study English. I teach them 4 hours a day. In this system, the progress is amazing.

Am I having a fun time teaching them? Let me say this, after I pulled the whiteboard off the wall just before lunch today (covered in another post) we played a game at the board this afternoon. Lt. Kim got just a bit too enthusiastic and knocked the whiteboard entirely out of the frame. I don't know how she did it. A good time was had by all.

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Anyway, I have some questions;
(a)- Is it a cadet academy?
(b)- Is the school directly connected to the military?
(c)- Are there soldiers from other services? (Marins, AF, Navy,etc.)

(d) First, do you have a class leader?
(e) If there is, who is he/she?


a. covered above
b. Yep.
c. A few. The other branches have their own schools like this for officers.
d. Of course there is a class leader. And an AO (errand boy). This is the army.
e. Do you want a date?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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e. Do you want a date?



Silly Rabbit!!!!!......
I was asking this in terms of rank, was the person a captain, a first leautenant, or even a colonel. I asked it so I can get a clear concise picture of how to answer your question....

Quote:
I'm teaching in an army school.........

This is a tad vague, there are many kinds of training facilities in the military, especially the army, to know exactly what kind of school it was can determine what kind of courtesy to use.....which in your case is none....
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
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I'm teaching in an army school.........

This is a tad vague, there are many kinds of training facilities in the military, especially the army, to know exactly what kind of school it was can determine what kind of courtesy to use.....which in your case is none....


I know you are trying to help, but I really don't think he cares.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
I worked with the MoD in Kuwait for those 3 months and I was responible for teaching Kuwaiti soldiers who would go overseas to be trained on equipment at various overseas installations and to the senior officers that will attend the C&S colleges in Jordan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.


How did you get a job teaching with the MoD? I'm from the UK and would love to teach Military English. PM if you have the chance.
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