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..."so-so"... is it English or Konglish?
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:17 am    Post subject: ..."so-so"... is it English or Konglish? Reply with quote

Had a discussion with a korean co-teacher today regarding students using the word "so-so"...

I had asked a student "How was the test.. easy or hard"?

the students (like normal) answered... "so-so"

I explained to my Korean teacher how much I hate "korean students" using that word... as I never heard it spoken before in my home-country...

..........I didn't believe it was real English.......

........its kindoff a "konglish" term and an excuse to me - for students to give a lazy answer instead of answering properly in conversation.....

etc etc

My korean-coworker - believes it is English... and that it is an appropriate answer...

I realise over the years - this has been discussed many times...

but I would like a few suggestions from other teachers and perhaps even an alternative (but short) answer the student could have given instead of using the word "so-so" -

(so that I may further discuss it with my co-teacher tomorrow)....

thanks
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard it used many times in England.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is English and isn't really a sign of lazy English. It is just a conversation killer. When someone answers with such a non-committal answer, there is no where to go with the conversation. Not exactly an ideal outcome in a language class.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
It is English and isn't really a sign of lazy English. It is just a conversation killer. When someone answers with such a non-committal answer, there is no where to go with the conversation. Not exactly an ideal outcome in a language class.


It can often be used by an unhappy partner in a relationship too. For example,

Him: Did you have a good time?

Her: So-so

Him: Ummmm.....


or


Him: Do you like these?

Her: So-so

Him: Errrrrrrr.....
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It can often be used by an unhappy partner in a relationship too. For example,

Him: Did you have a good time?

Her: So-so

Him: Ummmm.....


Personally, I can't identify with that scenario, but I can imagine others do.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it's English, as many people use it. Of course, it's not a good answer for extrapolation, but you can't say it's not English.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to agree with the OP partway that it is sort of like Konglish. Koreans use it all the time as a default answer, just like how we'd say "okay." I've had Koreans laugh at me before because I always answer "Not bad" when they ask how I am.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/so-so
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's English, but I don't like how Korean students use it as a get-out for having to describe further.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well,in Korean they'd just be answering 응 or not even asking such question.

It's certainly a conversation killer to me but it often also signals they just want to get the exchange out of the way.

It's also an annoyingly overused expression-rates up there with "talent","S-line" et al.

However when you ask them what they did at the weekend for example,then,yes,it does often sound pretty bloody so-so."Computer game"...Great.Thanks for that.It's like I might as well just give them colour coded flags to raise when I ask something.

God I wish I could have a student who'd get drunk on his father's booze and crash the family car.Anything.Please.
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you from?
I'd never heard it at all before I came to Korea.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
It's English, but I don't like how Korean students use it

They use it wrong.

In English it provokes either a query as to why or at least a negative connotation; in Konglish - by Koreans to Koreans - it's taken as more like "not bad" or "alright".

Every single bloody time my students say "so-so" I ask why? to the point where they only use it when they have an answer ready ("I feel good but I lost my book"; "I'm happy but my mom is sick" etc).

When listing the range of replies to the 'How are you?' question on the continuum from 'Terrific' to 'Terrible' I have 'So-So' falling on the negative side of the red line.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So so is common from where I come from. I think the kids like it because they're really saying "cow cow".
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Bigs



Joined: 15 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the stock reply when you ask for a college student's opinion on anything in China as well (in my experience...)
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever a student replies to a 'how are you/how was it?' type question I just continue with the queries.

Me: "How was school today?"

Panicking student: "Uhhhh... So-so."

M: "Really? Why?"

PS: "Uhhh... Just because..."

*teacher suicide ensues*
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