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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: Perfect Score on Tests |
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| Anyone actually take the TOEIC or TOEFL? Or is there another test that Koreans are studying for? Is the test structured for native english speakers to get perfect scores on these tests? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure many American high school students -- and even a decent number of college students -- would do average at best on the written sections of the TOEFL. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: |
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A friend of mine was a native speaker pilot tester for the new internet-based TOEFL (people at one of her graduate institutions were heavily involved in its design; I also know a number of these people and know about the process of designing and piloting the test). When she took the test, she got one question wrong simply because she struck the wrong key on the keyboard by accident and confirmed it too hastily.
Both these tests are normed for non-native speaker populations, which means that native speakers should score at the highest levels on them - at or near perfect. When people say the test is unfair and that even native speakers would do poorly on it, they are basically revealing how little they know about these tests. |
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jay-shi

Joined: 09 May 2004 Location: On tour
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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I did the TOEIC practice test from YBM last year, and got perfect. It wasn't very hard but not easy either, it required concentration and re-reading some passages on the reading comprehension section.
I will probably take the TEOFL test (the real one) sometime soon, since there are plans in the works for me to teach TEOFL in the fall. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Woland wrote: |
A friend of mine was a native speaker pilot tester for the new internet-based TOEFL (people at one of her graduate institutions were heavily involved in its design; I also know a number of these people and know about the process of designing and piloting the test). When she took the test, she got one question wrong simply because she struck the wrong key on the keyboard by accident and confirmed it too hastily.
Both these tests are normed for non-native speaker populations, which means that native speakers should score at the highest levels on them - at or near perfect. When people say the test is unfair and that even native speakers would do poorly on it, they are basically revealing how little they know about these tests. |
I've known a good many native speakers who failed miserably -- miserably -- on the New York State English exams which are very similar to the TOEFL. I'm not saying it's unfair, I'm saying
a) they are difficult exams
b) a lot of native speakers are dumbass motherfuckers. Anyone who does not know this has simply not talked to enough native speakers. |
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