|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
|
 Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: Increased Records Search Sets Alarm Bells Ringing |
 |
|
Records-search plan alarms civil-liberties groups
By Alan Elsner
Mon May 23, 4:48 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. civil-liberties groups said on Monday they were alarmed at new provisions to be considered in Congress this week to strengthen the government's ability to seize private records without judicial review.
Officials from the American Civil Liberties Union, the Open Society Institute and the Center for Democracy and Technologysaid in a telephone conference call the new provisions to the USA Patriot Act would allow the FBI to secretly demand medical, tax, gun-purchase, travel and other records without approval from a judge.
The act was passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and 16 of its provisions are scheduled to expire at the end of this year unless Congress renews them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/congress_patriot_dc |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
canuckistan
Mod Team
Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
|
| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| The Republicans plan to be in power for a very long time. It's the steady consolidation of their grip on all branches of everything, every day, everywhere under the guise of "protecting the homeland." Unprecedented spying powers, and if you think it won't be misused against political opponents, then you were born yesterday. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
|
| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| canuckistan wrote: |
| The Republicans plan to be in power for a very long time. It's the steady consolidation of their grip on all branches of everything, every day, everywhere under the guise of "protecting the homeland." Unprecedented spying powers, and if you think it won't be misused against political opponents, then you were born yesterday. |
According to the same article the FBI already has similar powers with regards to ordinary crinimal cases. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
|
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| The Republicans plan to be in power for a very long time. It's the steady consolidation of their grip on all branches of everything, every day, everywhere under the guise of "protecting the homeland." Unprecedented spying powers, and if you think it won't be misused against political opponents, then you were born yesterday. |
According to the same article the FBI already has similar powers with regards to ordinary crinimal cases. |
Actually, many of the so-called changes have been sought after since early in the Janet Reno tenure as Attorney General under the Democratic Bill Clinton administration - it was the Republicans in Congress in the mid to late 90's that kept the proposals from passing. This was weakly alluded to in the article:
| Quote: |
| "This bill includes ideas long sought, and rejected ... The idea that a FBI official could issue a piece of paper saying, 'Give me all your records' with no judicial approval, no prosecutorial review, no checks and balances," he said. |
Many people seem to forget the Federal Law Enforcement backed bills that were sent to Congress prior to and after the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the Montana Freemen Standoff, the Texas Patriots Standoff, Arkansas Tax Resisters, Oklahoma City bombing, Unabomber, etc., etc.,. I remember reading comments from law enforcement officials stating if they had these laws in place they might have been able to prevent the Eric Rudolphs and Timothy McVeighs from completing their missions (uh, yeah, right, whatever...). You replace the term "White-Racist Militias" with "Middle Eastern Terrorists" and you replace "9/11" with "Oklahoma City Bombing" and you are hearing the same arguments you heard in the 90's.
9/11 just gave the impetus to get some of the previously rejected proposals reconsidered - it has nothing to do with which political party is in power. Federal Law Enforcement officials have been trying to get these powers for 10 years at least. It should, but won't, be remembered by those who wish to turn the issue into a partisan political fight, that it was during a so-called liberal progressive Democratic administration that the first big push came to get some of these proposals passed into law.
There is indeed a history of using information from Federal Law Enforcement investigations for political gain. One such case was called "File Gate" I think. It was the Clinton administration's use of information in confidential FBI personal background investigation files to attack Republican political opponents - in violation of numerous Federal laws. Hillary dodged an indictment over that in the waning days of the Clinton administration. So there is a relatively recent precedent.
I know that sometimes it is fun to be a conspiracy theorist and run around like Chicken-little screaming "The sky is falling" whenever George Jr. passes gas. However, in this instance, unless these critics were running around screaming about possible civil rights violations when some of these proposals were first sent to Congress during the Democratic administrations in the 1990's, they are being a wee bit hypocritical. Just some of my thoughts on the subject. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
|
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Teufelswacht wrote: |
Many people seem to forget the Federal Law Enforcement backed bills that were sent to Congress prior to and after the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the Montana Freemen Standoff, the Texas Patriots Standoff, Arkansas Tax Resisters, Oklahoma City bombing, Unabomber, etc., etc.,. I remember reading comments from law enforcement officials stating if they had these laws in place they might have been able to prevent the Eric Rudolphs and Timothy McVeighs from completing their missions (uh, yeah, right, whatever...). You replace the term "White-Racist Militias" with "Middle Eastern Terrorists" and you replace "9/11" with "Oklahoma City Bombing" and you are hearing the same arguments you heard in the 90's.
There is indeed a history of using information from Federal Law Enforcement investigations for political gain. One such case was called "File Gate" I think. It was the Clinton administration's use of information in confidential FBI personal background investigation files to attack Republican political opponents - in violation of numerous Federal laws. Hillary dodged an indictment over that in the waning days of the Clinton administration. So there is a relatively recent precedent. |
Speaking of Oklahoma etc, i heard years ago that the Murrah Federal Building was where many of the "Whitewater" documents were stored.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=whitewater+oklahoma+city+bombing
Just another coincidence of course ... right ??? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
|
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Teufelswacht wrote: |
Many people seem to forget the Federal Law Enforcement backed bills that were sent to Congress prior to and after the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the Montana Freemen Standoff, the Texas Patriots Standoff, Arkansas Tax Resisters, Oklahoma City bombing, Unabomber, etc., etc.,. I remember reading comments from law enforcement officials stating if they had these laws in place they might have been able to prevent the Eric Rudolphs and Timothy McVeighs from completing their missions (uh, yeah, right, whatever...). You replace the term "White-Racist Militias" with "Middle Eastern Terrorists" and you replace "9/11" with "Oklahoma City Bombing" and you are hearing the same arguments you heard in the 90's.
There is indeed a history of using information from Federal Law Enforcement investigations for political gain. One such case was called "File Gate" I think. It was the Clinton administration's use of information in confidential FBI personal background investigation files to attack Republican political opponents - in violation of numerous Federal laws. Hillary dodged an indictment over that in the waning days of the Clinton administration. So there is a relatively recent precedent. |
Speaking of Oklahoma etc, i heard years ago that the Murrah Federal Building was where many of the "Whitewater" documents were stored.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=whitewater+oklahoma+city+bombing
Just another coincidence of course ... right ??? |
In the years that immediately followed the Oklahoma City Bombing there were conspiracy theories coming out almost every day. The theories about all the Federal law enforcement officers moving their personal items and important case files out of the building the day before, and why weren't any ATF/DEA/FBI personnel (sworn or not) killed in the blast, etc., etc., etc. were some of my personal favorites. Much the same type of stuff about building collapses, the number, type and effectiveness of the explosives used, secret deals, government conspiracies, etc., etc., you see now with the Pentagon, and WTC was present in similar ways then. It seems whenever there is a great trajedy the "theories" begin even before the smoke clears.
I remember reading somewhere that Nichols and McVeigh targeted the building because the offices of the ATF and FBI sections responsible for coordinating the Waco idiocy were located in that building. According to their own testimony it was revenge for Waco. That appears to be much more plausible than any other thing I have heard or read. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
|
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Use the Patriot Act against the American Free Press and other neo nazi groups - use it against their supporters too. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
Even with the patriot act the US is one of the most free countires in the world
| Quote: |
Reichstag Fire Decree, Germany, enacted February 28, 1933 after the Reichstag fire
The Reichstag Fire Decree is often used as an example of similarities to the USA PATRIOT Act. The similarities are that the Reichstag Fire Decree was passed after an act of terrorism, the decree was passed quickly, and the decree limited civil liberties with the expressed purpose of protecting the people of Germany.
However, the Reichstag Fire Decree went far beyond the USA PATRIOT Act. The USA PATRIOT Act does not remove all civil liberties of all citizens. It does not seize states rights. It does not introduce the death penalty for crimes against the government. It does have a date of expiration (the Reichstag Fire Decree is in effect until further notice)...
|
Having something in common with something doesn't make it the thing
| Quote: |
Philosophy 103: Introduction to Logic
Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle Term
Abstract: The Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle Term is discussed and illustrated |
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/middle_fall.html
Do you know your current events - sure you do that is why you use the
Institute for Historical Review
http://www.answers.com/topic/institute-for-historical-review
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Willis+Carto&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1
Willis Carto is a facist bigot
So is Max Weber
So is Jeff Rense .
So are their supporters.
The US ought to use the Patriot act against them. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| The two are very different , having something in common does not make it the thing - though the American Free Press are Klansman for real. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: FBI Underreported Use Of USA Patriot Act |
|
|
FBI Underreported Use Of USA Patriot Act
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The FBI underreported its use of the USA Patriot Act to force businesses to turn over customer information in suspected terrorism cases, according to a Justice Department audit.
One government official familiar with the report said  shoddy bookkeeping and records management led to the problems. The FBI agents appeared to be overwhelmed by the volume of demands for information over a two-year period, the official said.
"They lost track," said the official who like others interviewed late Thursday spoke on condition of anonymity because the report was not being released until Friday.
The FBI in 2005 reported to Congress that its agents had delivered a total of 9,254 national security letters seeking e-mail, telephone or financial information on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents over the previous two years.
Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine's report says that number was underreported by 20 percent, according to the officials.
Fine conducted the audit as required by Congress and over the objections of the Bush administration.
It was unclear late Thursday whether the omissions could be considered a criminal offense. One government official who read the report said it concluded the problems appeared to be unintentional and that FBI agents would probably face administrative sanctions instead of criminal charges.
The FBI has taken steps to correct some of the problems, the official said.
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_security_letters |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
