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thepeel
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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: Alberta eyes carbon dioxide pipeline for oil sands |
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This is exactly the type of response that is needed.
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Calgary � Alberta is looking to invest several hundred million dollars in a $1.5-billion carbon dioxide pipeline, a project that would help the province control its massive emissions of greenhouse gases.
The provincial government delivers its first Throne Speech today under new Premier Ed Stelmach, who sees the pipeline as a key way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. "We view it as a project that can be achieved through a partnership between the province, Ottawa and the oil and gas industry," said Tom Olsen, spokesman for Mr. Stelmach.
The idea of a pipeline, which languished under the last years of Ralph Klein's government, is to connect the oil sands near Fort McMurray and upgrading facilities near Edmonton with old oil fields around the province's capital.
Right now, oil sands producers have no incentive to capture carbon dioxide emissions because there is no way to dispose of the gas.
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With a pipeline, captured gas could be moved to the old oil fields, where it could be injected, storing the carbon dioxide while increasing crude production.
The hope is the carbon dioxide is effectively permanently stored and results from a handful of existing projects are positive, but scientists haven't yet reached firm conclusions. |
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070306.wstelmach0307/BNStory/Front/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20070306.wstelmach0307 |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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They are also talking about building a nuclear power plant to generate the steam necessary for the oil sands process. This would also add both to cutting emissions and increasing profitability becasue they could sell the gas they usually burn. It looks like Alberta is going to move to address environmental concerns before the government forces them.
Good move, they have my full support. The federal gov't should cut the tax breaks they give for equipment wear and increase tax breaks for environmental technology. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Alberta is also leading the field in Wind power in Canada. Those rednecks sure got there sh!t going! |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| Alberta is also leading the field in Wind power in Canada. Those rednecks sure got there *beep* going! |
Great steak too. If only it were not so darn cold, I might go back. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta eyes carbon dioxide pipeline for oil sands |
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| BJWD wrote: |
This is exactly the type of response that is needed.
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Calgary � Alberta is looking to invest several hundred million dollars in a $1.5-billion carbon dioxide pipeline, a project that would help the province control its massive emissions of greenhouse gases.
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Exactly the type of response needed?
Here's something that would be better promoted if the political establishment were genuinely committed to reducing emissions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
An Inconvenient Truth  |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Alberta is a great province.. King Ralph did an awsome job. TO bad I can't live there any more  Made good cash there. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/08/alberta-harper.html
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Ottawa spends $155.9M to make Alberta oil industry more green
Last Updated: Thursday, March 8, 2007 | 8:20 PM ET
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Ottawa will spend $155.9 million to make Alberta's oil and energy industry more environmentally friendly, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Thursday.
Most of the money will be spent studying ways to capture carbon dioxide emitted from the province's oilsands and store it underground, instead of releasing the polluting gas into the atmosphere.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced $155.9 million in funding Thursday for studying ways to capture carbon dioxide emitted from Alberta's oilsands. Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced $155.9 million in funding Thursday for studying ways to capture carbon dioxide emitted from Alberta's oilsands.
A federal-provincial task force will be set up to study the technology, Harper said.
"Most exciting of all, if we can perfect this technology, we can use it not only to curb Canada's contribution to greenhouse gas production but we could also export it around the world," Harper said, while making his announcement in Edmonton.
The money will also support a project in Edmonton designed to convert municipal waste into electricity. Efforts to design a coal-fired electricity plant that releases almost no emissions will also be funded.
Harper, flanked by Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach, reassured the oil industry that new technology will not harm business.
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"All Canadians are looking for a balance between economic growth and environmental protection," Harper said. "Finding that balance is the fundamental challenge of our time."
Sierra Club criticizes funding
Some environmentalists were critical of Thursday's announcement. The Sierra Club said the government should be working to cut carbon dioxide emissions altogether, rather than encouraging a continued dependence on the oil.
"Canadian and Albertan taxpayers should not be footing the bill for this industry to clean up its act," Lindsay Telfer, a Sierra Club director, said in a news release.
"If the government is serious about reducing emissions, it should eliminate all subsidies and develop a solid plan for putting absolute reduction targets on industry."
Harper's announcement came on the day the Alberta government introduced legislation requiring about 100 high-polluting companies to reduce their emissions output starting July 1.
Greenhouse gas emissions in Alberta have increased by 40 per cent since 1990, largely because of the oil industry. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Alberta is a great province.. King Ralph did an awsome job. |
King Ralph did an awesome job?
A retarded kid with a magic marker and a bunch of gold stars could have led Alberta through the last few decades. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Alberta is a great province.. King Ralph did an awsome job. |
King Ralph did an awesome job?
A retarded kid with a magic marker and a bunch of gold stars could have led Alberta through the last few decades. |
You forgot one element to the equation...
Your post should have read: A DRUNK and retarded kid with a magic marker and a bunch of gold stars could have led Alberta through the last two decades. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
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| Alberta is a great province.. King Ralph did an awsome job. |
King Ralph did an awesome job?
A retarded kid with a magic marker and a bunch of gold stars could have led Alberta through the last few decades. |
That just isn't true. But it is a typical Eastern Canada way of thinking.
There was a time of great cutbacks and hardship in Alberta. Even with the NEP notwithstanding, Ralph did some very unpopular and exceedingly pro-business things. Also, a resource bounty like in Alberta typically leads to deep corruption and the mass-theft of the resource (maybe only Norway, Alaska and Alberta have been able to avoid the "resource trap"). Alberta has handled it well, though it could make some serious changes.
I don't want to be a dick, as it is Friday and I'm feeling good. Goin to DJ Yoda in a few hours. But you don't have a bloody clue. Do you know that? The last decades in Alberta were damn hard. My dad's business was teetering on bankruptcy for about a decade (stay alive to '95 was his motto). Now, things there are fantastic. To use Ari Gold's phrase, we were selling off assets like we were mother fucking Michael Jackson. Add to the BSE. Uhg. It was tough.
You should look for a map of oil sands development. It is funny, how God placed all the oil in Alberta. When you look at the map, and see that all the development ends at the Sask border (exactly at the Sask border) you really have to wonder if Alberta is not the real chosen land. Or maybe, it is because the business/taxation/union/crazy-left-wing politics in Sask make is unfavorable to business there?
Ont had a manufacturing base that NAFTA, unions and retarded taxation/regulation hollowed out. Quebec is sitting on, and wasting on "social programs" (while still taking from Alberta AND running a deficit) hydro power that will outlast the oil-sands. Newfoundland had their fisheries mismanaged to the point of total industry destruction. B.C. doesn't fall flat on its face due to stolen Chinese money (that 93 billion USD defrauded from Chinese banks are driving the perpetual construction boom in Van) and pot sales to the south. Yet despite all the mismanagement the nation over, all we in Alberta hear is that it must be easy for us. Well, it wasn't. And things will only stay good now as long as the greedy Easterners and their unending ability to destroy markets keep their dirty hands out of the industry..
Canada, if not for the massive market to our South, would be no better off than Greece or Italy (if that). We have as an economy only digging up the country and throwing it across the border for American money and EVEN THAT the feds/East cannot help but *beep* up. We were supposed to become a whizzy (to use the phrase from the Economist) high tech place. Instead, our youth leave when they get the chance (as have I, and you).
Chew on that, eh? Have a nice weekend. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it's Ontario and the East that doesn't know anything....
First off, the development DOES NOT END AT THE ALBERTA BORDER. Oil and gas exploration is BOOMING in saskatchewan. Second, whether you were being serious or not, Albertans have little to do with their wealth. Dead dinosaurs and stupid arabs have a lot more to do with it than anything else.
This Canada would be nothing without the US, yes, if you eliminate ALL of our trade with the US, we wouldn't be much. MInd you, if you look at just about every nations major trading partner and the economic reliance on the US, it cuts for more countries than just Canada. Moreover, the Yanks do a full 25% of their trade with us, so it's not a canada only thing. And if Alberta didn't have the US, then you'd be a bunch of ranchers and sheep herders.
As for Klein's record. He had a budget surplus less than a year into his time as premier. You're right in that there is no coincidence that Klein's tenure and surpluses occurred at the exact same time. But only the first 2 or 3 can be attributed to Klein's policies. Post Gulf war one the drop off in oil prices occurred, but the prices never fully dropped. And post 1992 they started to go up. And Perhaps most importantly, Albertans aren't the only ones who went through hard times to balance budgets, but they are the only ones who have experienced a massive oil boom for a decade. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Canada, if not for the massive market to our South, would be no better off than Greece or Italy (if that). |
Nit-picking here, but what's wrong with Italy's economy? 7th largest in the world and all... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
Yes, it's Ontario and the East that doesn't know anything....
First off, the development DOES NOT END AT THE ALBERTA BORDER. Oil and gas exploration is BOOMING in saskatchewan. Second, whether you were being serious or not, Albertans have little to do with their wealth. Dead dinosaurs and stupid arabs have a lot more to do with it than anything else.
This Canada would be nothing without the US, yes, if you eliminate ALL of our trade with the US, we wouldn't be much. MInd you, if you look at just about every nations major trading partner and the economic reliance on the US, it cuts for more countries than just Canada. Moreover, the Yanks do a full 25% of their trade with us, so it's not a canada only thing. And if Alberta didn't have the US, then you'd be a bunch of ranchers and sheep herders.
As for Klein's record. He had a budget surplus less than a year into his time as premier. You're right in that there is no coincidence that Klein's tenure and surpluses occurred at the exact same time. But only the first 2 or 3 can be attributed to Klein's policies. Post Gulf war one the drop off in oil prices occurred, but the prices never fully dropped. And post 1992 they started to go up. And Perhaps most importantly, Albertans aren't the only ones who went through hard times to balance budgets, but they are the only ones who have experienced a massive oil boom for a decade. |
Yes, that is right. When the feds touch something it turns to crap. Canada functions only because we have a nation to our south that believes in capitalism. A country of social-workers and postmen. Where even the sale of booze is nationalized almost the whole damn country over. When I tell my friends I'm moving to the USA I universal illy get "your lucky", or "must be nice". No opportunity, unless you want to work in -40 outside or babysit in Korea.
Treduea, that thug, said in 1990 �This is where the future is being built.� while standing in Siberia looking over a city being built with Soviet slaves. That was the nonsense that governed our country. Socialist crap, except for Alberta. We were then, and are now the exception. Should the NEP be brought back to life, the whole nation will financially sink.
Actually, it isn't "booming" on the Sask side. The state there is trying to make it start, but is finding that, because they want the whole thing to be state-controlled, they are having a very hard time. Additionally, this is recent, as in, the last year. I guess any growth could be called "booming" when the previous growth was no growth except for the national welfare of equalization.
You do not understand how wealth is created. It isn't a fiat by the government, nor is it something that just appears. Albertans voted time and time and time and time and time again for a man who created an economic environment that is excellent for business. Low taxes, little regulation and the like. This is how wealth is created, with entrepreneurship and innovation, which, with the exception of RIM, only happens in Alberta. Calgary is sucking all business from all over Canada. Not just oil. You would have to be out of your mind to invest anywhere in Canada that isn't Alberta.
And Newfoundland has seen an oil boom as well. Hybernia is a massive project. Now that all the fish are gone, due to the Federal Liberal Party of Canada's gross incompetence/mismanagement, that is all that province has left. Except for the social workers and post men, of course. And the teachers. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Canada, if not for the massive market to our South, would be no better off than Greece or Italy (if that). |
Nit-picking here, but what's wrong with Italy's economy? 7th largest in the world and all... |
I was thinking more of GDP/head, which I assume to be not even in the top twenty. There are 60 or so million people in Italy, I think. Size of economy is only useful in relation to population. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| BJWD wrote: |
| I was thinking more of GDP/head, which I assume to be not even in the top twenty. There are 60 or so million people in Italy, I think. Size of economy is only useful in relation to population. |
True. At US$30,000 per capita, Italian GDP is only about 85% of that of Canada. |
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