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Octavius Hite
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SPINOZA
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Kuros
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: Shi'as still prefer this mess to Saddam's oppression |
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Despite Violence only 26% of Iraqis preferred life under Saddam
And it has been violent...
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| One in four (26%) Iraqi adults have had a family relative murdered in the last three years, while 23% of those living in Baghdad have had a family/relative kidnapped in the last three years. |
But yet 2/3s of the Shi'a prefer the chaotic new to the oppressive old...
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| These are the findings released today from the largest poll into Iraqi opinion ever to be published. Carried out by UK polling firm O.R.B., which has been tracking public opinion in Iraq since 2005, the poll shows that despite the horrendous personal security problems only 26% of the country preferred life under the previous regime of Saddam Hussein, with 49% preferring life under the current political regime of Noori al-Maliki. As one may expect, it is the Sunnis who are most likely to back the previous regime (51%) with the Shias (66%) preferring the current administration. |
Is there a civil war...?
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| Carried out amongst a nationally representative sample of 5,019 Iraqi adults aged 18yrs+ and coming just days before the fourth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, the poll reveals that despite the rising number of civilian deaths each month as a result of militia activity, only 27% would concede that their country is actually in a state of civil war. Opinion here is clearly divided, as 22% feel �we are close to a state of civil war but not yet in one� while 18% argue that the country is �still some way from civil war�. |
26% and 27% are low figures. I was honestly surprised. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Shi'as still prefer this mess to Saddam's oppression |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Despite Violence only 26% of Iraqis preferred life under Saddam
And it has been violent...
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| One in four (26%) Iraqi adults have had a family relative murdered in the last three years, while 23% of those living in Baghdad have had a family/relative kidnapped in the last three years. |
But yet 2/3s of the Shi'a prefer the chaotic new to the oppressive old...
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| These are the findings released today from the largest poll into Iraqi opinion ever to be published. Carried out by UK polling firm O.R.B., which has been tracking public opinion in Iraq since 2005, the poll shows that despite the horrendous personal security problems only 26% of the country preferred life under the previous regime of Saddam Hussein, with 49% preferring life under the current political regime of Noori al-Maliki. As one may expect, it is the Sunnis who are most likely to back the previous regime (51%) with the Shias (66%) preferring the current administration. |
Is there a civil war...?
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| Carried out amongst a nationally representative sample of 5,019 Iraqi adults aged 18yrs+ and coming just days before the fourth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, the poll reveals that despite the rising number of civilian deaths each month as a result of militia activity, only 27% would concede that their country is actually in a state of civil war. Opinion here is clearly divided, as 22% feel �we are close to a state of civil war but not yet in one� while 18% argue that the country is �still some way from civil war�. |
26% and 27% are low figures. I was honestly surprised. |
Don't know why you are suprised. I'd rather be free with a chance that I might be killed, then brutally oppressed with a chance that I might be killed....even if the chance that I might be killed is lower in the second case. After all, there's not much joy in living if you are treated like a lower form of life and discriminated against in many ways every day. At the least I could protect myself without having to worry about the secret police. Hardly suprising news. And now that they have the upper hand...of course they are going to prefer it and put a positive face on things. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't know why you are suprised. I'd rather be free with a chance that I might be killed, then brutally oppressed with a chance that I might be killed....even if the chance that I might be killed is lower in the second case. |
You're a citizen of a free country. You are from Canada, right?
Iraqis were subject to despotism. This does not serve to habituate them to democratic rule of law mores.
At any rate, I suspect that being human beings, many Iraqis are more concerned for the fate of their children and family than merely themselves. So that plays into it.
What is fascinating is that the number of people who do prefer life under Saddam is basically equal to the number of people who lost a family member since. One could reasonably say that for those who haven't lost a family member, free Iraq is better than Saddam-era Iraq. Of course, this statement does not account for ethnic differences. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow what an informative survey. Since most of the country is made up of Shiite I can't believe they wouldn't like the old regime. Hmmm, any more pearls of wisdom. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Wow what an informative survey. Since most of the country is made up of Shiite I can't believe they wouldn't like the old regime. Hmmm, any more pearls of wisdom. |
Yes. Only 27% of Iraqis believe Iraq is currently in a civil war. That was in the post above. Don't thank me! Thank the British survey!  |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Only 27% of Iraqis believe Iraq is currently in a civil war |
In their eyes they are not. The Kurds are safe in the protected north , at least until they annex Kirkuk or declare their independance.
The Shiite in the south believe that they are the majority and thus should govern so they are just defending their rights against "terrorists" and exacting revenge/debaathification.
And the Sunni's aren't in a civil war because they are just fighting to get back what was once theirs.
So its not a civil war, of course the thousands of deaths leads me to see it another way. But we won't look at the facts, just what a survey taken in a war zone says.. I can just see ipsos-reid interviewing vietcong 35 years ago I wonder what they would have said? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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And the Sunni's aren't in a civil war because they are just fighting to get back what was once theirs. |
No. 42% of Sunnis feel the country is already in civil war. Only 5% of Sunnis believe 'Iraq will never get as far as civil war.'
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| Regionally, 43% of those in the Shia dominated South of the country claim �Iraq will never get as far as civil war�. This figure in the Sunni dominated north plummets to 5% where most (42%) feel the country is already in a state of civil war. |
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| So its not a civil war, of course the thousands of deaths leads me to see it another way. But we won't look at the facts, just what a survey taken in a war zone says... |
Apparently, some of us won't even read that survey. |
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mithridates
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_MkWgbt3k |
The IRack looks unstable! |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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The point of my post was not to disagree with the findings only to:
1. Offer opinons of why the people said what they said
2. Question the validiaty of a survey conducted in one of the world's most dangerous countries. |
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Octavius Hite
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6464277.stm
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Pessimism 'growing among Iraqis'
Pollster conducts a survey of Iraqi opinion
Iraqis have become less optimistic about their future, the poll suggests
A new survey paints a pessimistic picture of Iraqis' confidence in their own government and in coalition forces.
Only 18% of Iraqis have confidence in US and coalition troops, while opinion is almost evenly split on whether to have confidence in Iraq's government.
About 86% of those questioned expressed concern about someone in their household being a victim of violence.
More than 2,000 people were polled for the study, which was commissioned by the BBC, ABC News, ARD and USA Today. |
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mindmetoo
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igotthisguitar
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Poll: Few Iraqis Trust U.S.-Led Troops
LONDON - Fewer than one in five Iraqis has confidence in U.S.-led coalition troops and they are evenly split on whether they have confidence in Iraq's government, according to a poll published Monday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_poll (ETC)
Poll: Fear, Anger, Stress Grip Iraqis
By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The optimism that helped sustain Iraqis during the first few years of the war has dissolved into widespread fear, anger and distress amid unrelenting violence, a survey found. |
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