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Adventurer
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Polish teachers march in Warsaw |
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Last Updated: Saturday, 17 March 2007, 20:53 GMT
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Polish teachers march in Warsaw
By Adam Easton
BBC News, Warsaw
Protesters say the new law would violate human rights
More than 10,000 teachers have marched through the Polish capital to demand pay rises and demonstrate against the government's education policy.
Gay rights groups joined to protest against plans to dismiss teachers who promote homosexual behaviour.
Ministers have said they are preparing a bill to ban what they called "homosexual propaganda" from schools.
The teachers were demanding both improved retirement benefits and the dismissal of the education minister.
They accuse Roman Giertych of ignoring teachers' groups and increasing intolerance.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6463213.stm |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| I think that anyone promoting sexual behavior of any kind should be fired. Gay or straight. But you will see gays argue that just as its their supposed right to push their sexual lifestyle in the forms of parades, its also their supposed right to try and push their lifestyle on students at schools. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| I think that anyone promoting sexual behavior of any kind should be fired. Gay or straight. But you will see gays argue that just as its their supposed right to push their sexual lifestyle in the forms of parades, its also their supposed right to try and push their lifestyle on students at schools. |
The law also proposes firing someone who is openly gay. Do you think that is going a bit too far? I mean suppose a teacher is found to be gay, and he teaches math and doesn't get into his life-style, why should he be fired? Anyway, if Poland wants to be part of the EU doesn't it have to have more humane laws? |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| When last I was there ( last summer), Poland was a DEMOCRACY. The people there voted for the current president knowing quite well what his policy on homosexuals was. As for the Polish Teachers protesting for better retirement, more power to 'em! They are under paid! 1200 zlts per month is VERY low. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| When last I was there ( last summer), Poland was a DEMOCRACY. The people there voted for the current president knowing quite well what his policy on homosexuals was. As for the Polish Teachers protesting for better retirement, more power to 'em! They are under paid! 1200 zlts per month is VERY low. |
It is true that the Polish are Catholics. I don't support firing someone for simply revealing that he is gay. That is way too extreme on the government's part, but if the voters don't want someone talking too much about them being homosexuals in ask don't tell tell type of way, that is what the voters want, and there is no way around it, but the teachers can't be working for peanuts. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that anyone promoting sexual behavior of any kind should be fired. Gay or straight. But you will see gays argue that just as its their supposed right to push their sexual lifestyle in the forms of parades, its also their supposed right to try and push their lifestyle on students at schools. |
You don't have any idea what the hell you are talking about sir.
1. The parades are controversial in our community and a constant source of debate. However, it is our right to have a parade the same as it is for drunken Irish men (what about the children learning how to drink) or any other group that wants to have a parade. And yes I support Nazi skinhead parades, free speech is for everyone.
2. We don't push our lifestyles on anyone. Never, never has a gay man taught children about bathhouses or orgies. What we do "push" is our inherent rights to exist and not be threatened with job demotion or physical violence.
Those who hate gays, wrap that hate up in "I don't approve, but as long as they keep it quiet and don't show it in public it is ok" Say that about Jews and Israelis and you will see how stupid you sound. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Poland may be a democracy, but they still have a constitution. Giving it a quick read over I would say this is a pretty important part of it, and is direct conflict with a few of the comments in this thread, as well as the actions of the polish government:
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Article 13 []
Political parties and other organizations whose programmes are based upon totalitarian methods and the modes of activity of nazism, fascism and communism, as well as those whose programmes or activities sanction racial or national hatred, the application of violence for the purpose of obtaining power or to influence the State policy, or provide for the secrecy of their own structure or membership, shall be forbidden. |
That said, equal marriage may be off the table:
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Article 18 []
Marriage, being a union of a man and a woman, as well as the family, motherhood and parenthood, shall be placed under the protection and care of the Republic of Poland. |
But then there's this:
Article 25 []
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(1) Churches and other religious organizations shall have equal rights.
(2) Public authorities in the Republic of Poland shall be impartial in matters of personal conviction, whether religious or philosophical, or in relation to outlooks on life, and shall ensure their freedom of expression within public life. |
The of course there's this:
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Article 30 []
The inherent and inalienable dignity of the person shall constitute a source of freedoms and rights of persons and citizens. It shall be inviolable. The respect and protection thereof shall be the obligation of public authorities. |
And this:
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Article 32 []
(1) All persons shall be equal before the law. All persons shall have the right to equal treatment by public authorities.
(2) No one shall be discriminated against in political, social or economic life for any reason whatsoever. |
I would say if this goes through I would call it degrading treatment:
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Article 40 []
No one may be subjected to torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment. The application of corporal punishment shall be prohibited. |
I found a few others, but there are also opt-out or circumventing clauses through the constitution which could be use to circumvent much of what I posted above.
Anyway you look at it, though, it's bigotry and discrimination. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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| I think that anyone promoting sexual behavior of any kind should be fired. Gay or straight. But you will see gays argue that just as its their supposed right to push their sexual lifestyle in the forms of parades, its also their supposed right to try and push their lifestyle on students at schools. |
You don't have any idea what the hell you are talking about sir.
1. The parades are controversial in our community and a constant source of debate. However, it is our right to have a parade the same as it is for drunken Irish men (what about the children learning how to drink) or any other group that wants to have a parade. And yes I support Nazi skinhead parades, free speech is for everyone.
2. We don't push our lifestyles on anyone. Never, never has a gay man taught children about bathhouses or orgies. What we do "push" is our inherent rights to exist and not be threatened with job demotion or physical violence.
Those who hate gays, wrap that hate up in "I don't approve, but as long as they keep it quiet and don't show it in public it is ok" Say that about Jews and Israelis and you will see how stupid you sound. |
I support Skin Heads Nazi's?!?!.. They spread hate and usualy are the cause of hate crimes.. This is not free speech..
This further entrenches my opinion of you that you are SIR the bigest WAD of Fawktardness on the planet earth. I wish you were stuck in a concentration camp that way you can experience what Nazism free speech brought.. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Ok people...
Yesterday I was called all sorts of things because of a joke. This was in spite of the fact I had spent the previous 10 days defending and fighting for the person who I apparently maligned so badly. I would note that I was the ONLY person coming to said person's defence while the rest of you sat silently and let him be attacked, and I still was told I'm the worst person on earth.
Now if all of you don't pipe up over this latest attack on this 'person', then I think I'm more than vindicated.
Awaiting the outrage.... |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I support Skin Heads Nazi's?!?!.. They spread hate and usualy are the cause of hate crimes.. This is not free speech..
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Of course its free speech. Its one of the best things about America (at least until Bushie) free speech is more for the speech you don't want to hear than the stuff you do.
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| I wish you were stuck in a concentration camp that way you can experience what Nazism free speech brought.. |
One, Nazi's were against free speech, it was silence that led to the deaths of millions, not the speech of Nazi's.
Two, the comment about concentration camps, well I'll just assume your prescription ran out today. Don't panic, go to the pharmacy and they will help you. I don't hold it against you. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
You don't have any idea what the hell you are talking about sir. |
You are blinded by your sexuality.
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| 1. The parades are controversial in our community and a constant source of debate. However, it is our right to have a parade the same as it is for drunken Irish men (what about the children learning how to drink) or any other group that wants to have a parade. And yes I support Nazi skinhead parades, free speech is for everyone. |
See, no it isnt your right to hold them. It is your right to hold a parade, Ill give you that but certainly NOT in the way you do it now. Keep your genitalia in your pants. NOBODY outside your bathhouse wants to see it. That goes for the rest of he trash: the nazis, skinheads, KKK - does the word DECENCY escape you? Because I dont see that in KKK parades or gay parades. Both make me equally as sick.
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| 2. We don't push our lifestyles on anyone. |
What do you call running around nearly naked simulating (or hell, sometimes not even simulating) sex? Thats NOT pushing your lifestyle on otherS?
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| Never, never has a gay man taught children about bathhouses or orgies. |
100% sure?
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| What we do "push" is our inherent rights to exist and not be threatened with job demotion or physical violence. |
You can exist. I allow it. Parades, however, are not a matter of life or death. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You are blinded by your sexuality. |
You are blinded by your stupidity, so I guess we are even.
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| See, no it isnt your right to hold them. |
Actually, it is. The courts in America, Canada, the EU have routinely upheld the right for us to have our parades.
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| What do you call running around nearly naked simulating (or hell, sometimes not even simulating) sex? Thats NOT pushing your lifestyle on otherS? |
Did we do it to you? Did a gay man grab you and force you to wear a rainbow coloured g-string? No? Then we didnt push anything on you. I hate christmas, its offense to me, all that pagan worshiping, cancel the Macy's parade.
Yes I'm sure and anyone who would discuss it should be fired. That said children need to learn that there are gay parents and they love their children as well. Remember, 1 in 10 of these children are likely to be gay, don't they deserve to have their future ackowledged as ok?
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| You can exist. I allow it. Parades, however, are not a matter of life or death. |
Good then we can cancel those damn veterans day parades, cause watching baby killers and war criminals march makes me wanna puke, have you no decency? |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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"Polish teachers march..."
Where were the English teachers?  |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| I think that anyone promoting sexual behavior of any kind should be fired. Gay or straight. But you will see gays argue that just as its their supposed right to push their sexual lifestyle in the forms of parades, its also their supposed right to try and push their lifestyle on students at schools. |
The law also proposes firing someone who is openly gay. Do you think that is going a bit too far? I mean suppose a teacher is found to be gay, and he teaches math and doesn't get into his life-style, why should he be fired? Anyway, if Poland wants to be part of the EU doesn't it have to have more humane laws? |
Yeah, and what if he or she isn't openly gay but people learn about it through the grapevine? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| I think that anyone promoting sexual behavior of any kind should be fired. Gay or straight. But you will see gays argue that just as its their supposed right to push their sexual lifestyle in the forms of parades, its also their supposed right to try and push their lifestyle on students at schools. |
The law also proposes firing someone who is openly gay. Do you think that is going a bit too far? I mean suppose a teacher is found to be gay, and he teaches math and doesn't get into his life-style, why should he be fired? Anyway, if Poland wants to be part of the EU doesn't it have to have more humane laws? |
Yeah, and what if he or she isn't openly gay but people learn about it through the grapevine? |
If they dont promote it they shouldnt be fired. |
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