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Why is vacation time so short in Korean contracts?
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ghost



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Why is vacation time so short in Korean contracts? Reply with quote

I quite like working in Korea, but one sore point is the lack of vacations.

In Taiwan (2005-2006), I worked in a Private High School, and the vacation allowance was 2 months in summer (all of July and August), and 3 weeks in winter during Chinese New Year. That was a total of almost 3 months holiday.

Here in Korea I work for an Institution which trains teachers, and the vacation allowance is a mere 35 working days per year...which is much less than Taiwan.

Also, I am told that many teachers here get much less vacation time than I do (which I consider to be pretty low).

Working in Korea is good, but the lack of vacations and having to work through July and August (the 'hot and sticky' summer months) is definetely one less agreeable aspect of the contracts here.

In Taiwan, if you have the chance to work at a University you get about 4-5 months paid vacation per year.

The lack of vacation time is a factor for many teachers, especially those who have family and loved ones at home, thousands of miles away.



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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I'd kill for 35 vacation days per year.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's because Koreans don't get much vacation time themselves. We have winter and summer 'break', but for most of it the students come in for extra lessons. Koreans think a three day holiday somewhere like Jinju is a big annual trip and a one-week holiday abroad is a once-in-a-lifetime adventure. Why would they assume that for people from other countries having decent amounts of time off is important?
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IncognitoHFX



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

35 vacation days is bad? What?

I'm not in Korea yet but that does not sound bad at all. That's seven straight weeks if you were to take them all at once.

At my most recent job, we only had two weeks of vacation time per year, and it was a year-round job.

Sheesh.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is vacation time so short in Korean contracts? Reply with quote

Ghost, quit bragging about your 35 days. You come off like an ass.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is vacation time so short in Korean contracts? Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
Ghost, quit bragging about your 35 days. You come off like an ass.


That was certainly not the intention (to brag).

Everything is relative. I was a certified teacher in Ontario (FSL with Durham Catholic schools) and in Quebec (ESL in the Commission Scolaire Marguerite Bourgeoys, St Laurent) so having 3 months off per year is normal.

That was one of the reasons I became a teacher - substantial time off to travel, and pursue other interests. Not the only reason, but it was one of the principal ones. Life is short, and short vacations do not allow me to travel and visit family in different parts of the world. That is a choice I make, and although expensive (travel) it is a financial sacrifice I am willing to make.

When you are used to 3 months per year and then you come down, it is always difficult.

But to get back to the original question - do Universities in Korea have similar breaks compared with the Unis. in Taiwan where the norm is between 3-5 months off per year at different times in the academic calendar?

Thanks for any feedback.

Ghost
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is vacation time so short in Korean contracts? Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
Ghost, quit bragging about your 35 days. You come off like an ass.


That was certainly not the intention (to brag).

Everything is relative. I was a certified teacher in Ontario (FSL with Durham Catholic schools) and in Quebec (ESL in the Commission Scolaire Marguerite Bourgeoys, St Laurent) so having 3 months off per year is normal.

That was one of the reasons I became a teacher - substantial time off to travel, and pursue other interests. Not the only reason, but it was one of the principal ones. Life is short, and short vacations do not allow me to travel and visit family in different parts of the world. That is a choice I make, and although expensive (travel) it is a financial sacrifice I am willing to make.

When you are used to 3 months per year and then you come down, it is always difficult.

But to get back to the original question - do Universities in Korea have similar breaks compared with the Unis. in Taiwan where the norm is between 3-5 months off per year at different times in the academic calendar?

Thanks for any feedback.

Ghost


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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is vacation time so short in Korean contracts? Reply with quote

ghost wrote:

That was one of the reasons I became a teacher - substantial time off to travel, and pursue other interests. Not the only reason, but it was one of the principal ones. Life is short, and short vacations do not allow me to travel and visit family in different parts of the world. That is a choice I make, and although expensive (travel) it is a financial sacrifice I am willing to make.


Yes, I am a certified teacher too. I taught in the States.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that vacation in Korea sucks. If you don't like it, you don't come to Korea. If this is suddenly news to you, I fear for your reading comphrehension skills.
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Brady



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my hagwon we have 3 contracted vacation days and we're encouraged not to use them.
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember from one source that employment law is to be updated in 2008, as all employees must have atleast 15 working days vacation entitlement per year. That equates to three weeks per year (5 days is a working week).

So those of you that are to renew your contract, please check to see if this is taken into account when you negotiate with your employer.

However, I just remember reading somewhere about 15 days holiday per year from another website. Can anyone verify this?
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are vacations so short? One simple reason: because of the teachers signing the contract. Period. Schools will say...that's the way it always has been, etc...
if teachers stop signing bad contracts...things will get better. No teachers...schools have no choice then. But...getting FT's banding together will never happen in korea.
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MissSeoul



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:

At my most recent job, we only had two weeks of vacation time per year, and it was a year-round job.


Yes, many jobs in America offer also 2 week vacation time per year.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though legally they are supposed to have 10 or the proposed 15 days, most wokers are lucky to get 3 or 4 days a year. If their boss says no they may not get any vacation at all. A lot of Koreans say they wouldn't know what to do with a 9 day vacation - 2 weekends and 5 working days - vacation.

The average teacher here gets 10 days so you have 3.5 times the average teacher, consider yourself very lucky.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, many jobs in America offer also 2 week vacation time per year.


True, but not teaching jobs.

There is a reason why teachers get relatively long vacations - because teaching has traditionally been a very hard job, in the sense that you have to deliver a 'performance' every time you teach.

Also, teaching is only part of the equation. Preparation and marking, take many hours of the day - and overtime is the norm. Even at the Institute I teach in, although we (the Instructors) only teach about 3-4 contact hours between 9-5, most of us work overtime several nights a week, to prepare our lessons, and grade papers. This is a Teacher-Training College, and we receive around 120 Korean English teachers for one month intensive courses. The pace is pretty intense, and we cover a lot of material in the short time they are with us.


Without vacation and time to recuperate teachers would soon go stale, and the teaching quality would diminish.

Teaching is not a normal job. You cannot 'cruise' in this job, because those on the receiving end (the students) will rebel. It is high energy, and high stress, in most cases.


It is not unreasonable to expect 3 months per year when you are on the frontline for the rest of the year.

Ghost
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
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Yes, many jobs in America offer also 2 week vacation time per year.


True, but not teaching jobs.

There is a reason why teachers get relatively long vacations - because teaching has traditionally been a very hard job, in the sense that you have to deliver a 'performance' every time you teach.

Also, teaching is only part of the equation. Preparation and marking, take many hours of the day - and overtime is the norm. Even at the Institute I teach in, although we (the Instructors) only teach about 3-4 contact hours between 9-5, most of us work overtime several nights a week, to prepare our lessons, and grade papers. This is a Teacher-Training College, and we receive around 120 Korean English teachers for one month intensive courses. The pace is pretty intense, and we cover a lot of material in the short time they are with us.


Without vacation and time to recuperate teachers would soon go stale, and the teaching quality would diminish.

Teaching is not a normal job. You cannot 'cruise' in this job, because those on the receiving end (the students) will rebel. It is high energy, and high stress, in most cases.


It is not unreasonable to expect 3 months per year when you are on the frontline for the rest of the year.

Ghost


No, it's not unreasonable. But this is Korea. Most Korean teachers, especially those new to their schools, don't get more than seven weeks paid vacation a year. Some Korean hagwon teachers don't get seven days. You've picked the wrong country if you want to be a school teacher enjoying long breaks. Last year the newbie one-year contract teacher at my high school got exactly two weeks off, not all in one stretch.
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