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mindmetoo · Joined: 02 Feb 2004

http://science.krishna.org/Articles/2000/08/00082.html

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

I already answered this on another thread on this forum, but I can't seem to locate it, so I'll set the record straight here as well.

The article posted and alluded to by "mindmetoo" was written over 40 years ago, shortly after the lunar expeditions, by a young Krishna devotee in Back to Godhead magazine and was reprinted last year on an unofficial website.

Upon closer scrutiny of the actual Sanskrit verses pertaining to Vedic cosmology in the Bhagavat Purana, a scientist with the Bhaktivedanta Institute reconciled the apparent discrepancy between Vedic and modern scientific views as follows:

Q: The Vedic literature says that the moon is higher than the sun. How can this be?

A: In Chapter 22 of the Fifth Canto, the heights of the planets above the earth are given, and it is stated that the moon is 100,000 yojanas above the rays of the sun. In this chapter, the word "above" means "above the plane of Bhu-mandala". It does not refer to distance measured radially from the surface of the earth globe. In Section 4.b we show that if the plane of Bhu-mandala corresponds to the plane of the ecliptic, then it indeed makes sense to say that the moon is higher than the sun relative to Bhu-mandala. This does not mean that the moon is farther from the earth globe than the sun.

For example, if point A is in a plane, B is 1,000 miles above the plane, and C is 2,000 miles above the plane, we cannot necessarily conclude that C is further from A than B is.

It seems that the larger vertical distance given for the height of the moon does not necessary refer to physical distance between objects in space. Rather, the �heights� of the moon and various other celestial bodies is relative to the plain of the ecliptic...
http://www.westsideuuc.com/movie_9.html

blynch · Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: UCLA

HELLO ???

gang ah jee · Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper

Rteacher, you should email the webmaster of that site and let him know that he's making ISKCON look silly!

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

It's more-or-less a renegade, anti-ISKCON site - there are a lots of them. (Nasty politics, scandals, and corruption that ensued after Bhaktivedanta Swami's passing away in 1977 have exacted a toll...) Even www.harekrsna.com that I quote from alot is a renegade site, but it's more intellectual than www.krishna.org ... The "official" ISKCON sites (like www.krishna.com) are more reliable, but certainly not perfect.

Not that the general public or most scientists are ready to embrace even the revised, modern understanding of Vedic cosmology (which is somewhat speculative anyway...) Higher-dimensional reality and transcendental potencies are not easily grasped...

But, even if NASA space travellers did make it to the moon (Buzz Aldrin has frankly disclosed that a near-by UFO accompanied them most of the way...) they were not able to perceive the ethereal life-forms and structures that are reportedly present there on a higher plane of existence...

mindmetoo · Joined: 02 Feb 2004

JMO · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu

swetepete · Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Location: a limp little burg

I'm honestly not trying to take any piss here, but I have this weird half memory of watching the Brady Bunch when I was really small and an astronaut came on the show and told the Brady's about going to the moon and having crazy lights and UFO type things flitting around. Pretty sure he downplayed it, as Bobby was overly excited (as was his wont) about UFOs, but he left the possibilities open.
Actually I have no idea if this is a hodge-podge construct memory or an actual event. Rteacher, you're even older than me, right? Did you watch that episode?
I think it was Gus Grissom or whoever the third wheel guy was, but maybe it was Buzz.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQgfaLFTl4U

tomato · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject:

Oh, I get it:
the Hare Krishnas have an unfalsifiability clause built into their creed.
If their doctrines seem false to anyone, that could only be because the person is not spiritually advanced enough to understand.

It's like seeing the Emperor's new clothes:
if you can't see the Emperor's new clothes, that could only be because you're not intelligent enough.

What would religious groups do without unfalsifiability clauses?

hubba bubba · Joined: 24 Oct 2006

mindmetoo · Joined: 02 Feb 2004

mindmetoo · Joined: 02 Feb 2004

tomato · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject:

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

"Tomato" is apparently a gung-ho deprogrammer type who obsesses over "cults" and gets frustrated when anything supernatural or beyond the boundaries of material science (a religion for some...) is suggested...

"Hubba bubba" - can't you see visually from the chart that although point C (the "moon"...) is higher from the plane that point A (the "earth"...) is on than point B (the "sun"...) is, C is obviously closer to point A than point B is?

(My father taught geometry and trigonometry in the same high school I went to...)

How come the big science and tech types here are thusfar mum on Buzz Aldrin's clear confession that astronauts on the lunar mission didn't directly report to mission control about the UFO they kept seeing (during the second half of their Apollo 11 voyage) because they knew that practically the whole world was listening , and they feared that NASA would have ordered them back to earth because of "aliens"...?

Here's the transcript of the video shown on many sites, including YouTube:

Full Report / Article
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Source: The Science Channel / Dave Stone / Credit: UFO Updates - 9/30/2005
Original Source

A few days ago on the Science Channel, a program called "First on the Moon: The Untold Story" was aired. About 14:30 min/sec into the program, there was a 3.5 minute segment that described a UFO encounter that Apollo 11 experienced during its flight to the moon.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time that Buzz Aldrin, an Apollo 11 astronaut, had ever publicly recounted any UFO experience associated with the Apollo 11 moon mission. Also of interest, I wonder how the UFO footage that was supposedly taken from a later Apollo mission obtained?

Below is my transcription of the 3.5 minute UFO segment:
START:

Narrator: But three days and 200,000 miles into the flight, Mission Control did miss the significance of a cryptic message from Apollo 11.

Apollo 11: 'Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us?

Mission Control: 'Stand-by'

Narrator: The Crew required information on the current position of the S-IVB, the final stage of the rocket which had been jettisoned away 2 days earlier. This short message hid an extraordinary turn of events: Apollo 11 wasn't alone in space.

Buzz Aldrin: There was something out there that, uh, was close enough to be observed and what could it be?

Narrator: Traveling along side of Apollo 11 was a mysterious object like this one (a ringed object at close range is shown), filmed on a later mission. If it wasn't part of their own rocket, it could only be one thing, a UFO.

Aldrin: Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp it was sort of L shaped. That didn't tell us very much.

Dr. David Baker (Apollo 11 Senior Scientist): NASA knew very little about, um, the object reported by the Apollo 11 crew. It was obviously an unidentified flying object, but such objects were not uncommon and the history of even earth orbit space flights going back over the previous years indicated that several crews saw objects.

Narrator: Despite having a clear view of the UFO, the crew were wary of reporting it to Mission Control.

Aldrin: Now, obviously, the three of us were not going to blurt out, 'Hey Houston we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is, you know, can you tell us what it is?'. We weren't about to do that, cause we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded that we turn back because of Aliens or whatever the reason is, so we didn't do that but we did decide we'd just cautiously ask Houston where, how far away was the S-IVB?

Narrator: Unaware of the drama unfolding in space, Mission Control radioed the position back to Apollo 11.

Mission Control: 'Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB is about 6,000 nautical miles from you now, over.'

Aldrin: And a few moments later, why they came back and said something like it was 6,000 miles away because of the maneuver, so we really didn't think we were looking at something that far away, so we decided that after a while of watching it, it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore until we came back and (went through) debriefing.

Narrator: To this day, whatever it was that the crew saw has never been positively identified or officially acknowledged.

Dr. David Baker: There were a lot of people within the program who went off later and became convinced that UFOs existed and that lead to some concern on NASA's part where they got the agreement of the crew never to publicly talk about these things for fear of ridicule.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case592.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI

Here is a UFO debunker site that deals elaborately with some doctoring of earlier footage of Apollo 11 by some Japanese UFO group, but I didn't see any refutation of Aldrin's statements (made a little over a year ago...)
http://www.debunker.com/texts/apollo11.html