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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: A sad day for America, for the World. |
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This is totally disgusting. You have the US government, totally unchecked, trying to use testimony obtained by torture. Not a single thinking person in this world believes this garbage.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/03/14/bomber-confession.html
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The suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States confessed to the 2001 attacks and others when he appeared at his military hearing in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a transcript shows.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed claimed he planned, funded and trained attackers for 28 terrorist attacks, according to the 26-page transcript of the hearing released Wednesday by the U.S. Defence Department.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, pictured shortly after his capture in 2003, confessed to 29 terrorist attacks, the U.S. military says.Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, pictured shortly after his capture in 2003, confessed to 29 terrorist attacks, the U.S. military says.
(Associated Press)
Not all the attacks were carried out.
Mohammed confessed on Saturday at the U.S. detention centre in Cuba, the transcript says. The hearing, which began Friday and is ongoing, is being conducted in secret, with no reporters allowed to attend. The U.S. military is trying to determine whether Mohammed and 13 other alleged terrorist leaders should be declared enemy combatants and prosecuted by military tribunals.
According to the transcript, Mohammed said he was responsible for the Sept. 11 airplane attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington.
"I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," the transcript quotes Mohammed as saying.
During the hearing, evidence the military has collected against Mohammed in connection with Sept. 11 was presented, the transcript shows. Officials seized Mohammed's computer, which contained the airplane hijackers' names and photos, and a photo of one of their pilots' licences. Letters from al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden were also found.
According to the transcript, Mohammed also confessed Saturday to planning other attacks, such as the 1993 bombing in the World Trade Center basement that killed six people and injured about 1,000.
Mohammed also claimed to be involved in the plot led by would-be shoe-bomber Richard Reid, a British citizen who tried unsuccessfully in 2001 to blow up a transatlantic flight with explosives hidden in his shoes. Reid is now serving a life sentence in Colorado.
Torture talks blacked out in transcript
During Saturday's hearing, Mohammed's allegations that the CIA tortured him while he was in custody was brought up. One of the three military officials leading the hearing asked Mohammed if his confessions were made under duress.
"Is any statement that you made, was it because of this treatment?" the unnamed official asked Mohammed, according to the transcript. "To use your word, you claim torture. Do you make any statements because of that?"
Mohammed's answer is unclear in the transcript, as the military blacked out portions of his response. Later in the transcript, Mohammed is recorded as stating that he gave his confessions without pressure, threats or duress.
The military said it blacked out various sections of the transcript for security reasons.
On Wednesday, the military also released transcripts from the hearings of Ramzi Binalshibh, who is suspected of helping Mohammed with the Sept. 11 attacks, and Abu Faraj al-Libi, suspected of masterminding two bombings in Pakistan in 2003.
Mohammed was captured in Pakistan on March 1, 2003. He had been on the FBI's most wanted list since Sept. 11, 2001. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah, i'm shedding a tear for KSM. Poor guy. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, i'm shedding a tear for KSM. Poor guy.
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I don't know if it's really a question of having personal sympathy for KSM.
I probably wouldn't have had much sympathy for Miranda, the guy that the famous rules are named after. In all likelihood, he was a brutal rapist. However, that doesn't change the fact that the police mishandled his case, and that the courts were right to throw out his conviction. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if it's really a question of having personal sympathy for KSM. |
Agree with both Bucheon and you on this.
Professional historians consider information produced under torture totally unreliable, by the way. Different matter than criminal law. But one day historians will regret W. Bush's treatment of this man (many already curse him as the Antichrist, but that is something else entirely). It tainted Mohammed's information and it muddled 9/11. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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And correct me if I'm wrong but were not Iraqi's and saddam blamed for the 1993 attack on the WTC? Now he is confessing to it?
History will judge the Bush administration very harshly and like Japanese internment, this will be a shameful period. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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"...from A to Z."
Please....
I'd no problem believing terrorists set up 9/11. None. Until I read that this morning. A to freaking Z? What, this guy grew up in Jersey?? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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It will be a sad day for OH when he can't find something negative to post about the US, thereby reinforcing his Canadian identity.
For a while there he showed some growth. The sadness is to see he's reverting to his old insecure self. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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"...from A to Z."
Please....
I'd no problem believing terrorists set up 9/11. None. Until I read that this morning. A to freaking Z? What, this guy grew up in Jersey?? |
Maybe "From Alif to Ya" is a common Arabic expression. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| This is totally disgusting. You have the US government, totally unchecked, trying to use testimony obtained by torture. Not a single thinking person in this world believes this garbage. |
Wrong. I'm sure that many Americans will show their true patrotic spirit soaking up every word of it. Shocking, but true.
Read the same news today, and what would you expect from 5 years of confinement and torture.
This just takes pressure off finding Bin. It is also gives the idiots in Washington some sort of war trophy to extend to some legitimacy for Git'mo.
And this report was released by who? Yes, the same people that had confirmed evidence that Iraq had WMD. Nothing new here, as I just think America just farted agian.
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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It will be a sad day for OH when he can't find something negative to post about the US, thereby reinforcing his Canadian identity.
For a while there he showed some growth. The sadness is to see he's reverting to his old insecure self. |
While you attack me for posting a story from one of the most important unfolding stories of our time, millions of young Muslims just got a lesson that the US will do to anything, including violating its own ethical code and constitution, to get what it wants.
There was absolutly no reason this man couldn't go on trial in the US and no jury would have protected him. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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It will be a sad day for OH when he can't find something negative to post about the US, thereby reinforcing his Canadian identity.
For a while there he showed some growth. The sadness is to see he's reverting to his old insecure self. |
While you attack me for posting a story from one of the most important unfolding stories of our time |
The attack was not for posting the story, it was for your commentary. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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It will be a sad day for OH when he can't find something negative to post about the US, thereby reinforcing his Canadian identity.
For a while there he showed some growth. The sadness is to see he's reverting to his old insecure self. |
While you attack me for posting a story from one of the most important unfolding stories of our time, |
Cause it is eslcafe? Tis the law of the land round here. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: |
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And correct me if I'm wrong but were not Iraqi's and saddam blamed for the 1993 attack on the WTC? Now he is confessing to it?
History will judge the Bush administration very harshly and like Japanese internment, this will be a shameful period. |
Point 1: No, it was some BS that Wolfowitz and the neo-cons came up with. For some reason, some continued to believe it even when no link was found. The FBI, CIA, NSA, etc etc never connected Iraq with the 1993 WTC attack. In fact, "experts" believe that the bombing was the beginnings of al-qaeda and its focus on the US. Well ok, there is some woman at the American Enterprise Institute that wrote a book about the "connection" but she is the only one I'm aware of who makes the claim.
Point 2: I agree. That being said, when it comes to KSM, I really could care less about what happened to him. If he wasn't behind 9/11, then he is one hell of a story teller. But yes, I realize that if it can happen to KSM, then it can happen to any of us, it starts us on the road to all kinds of bad things, etc. (basically acknowledging OTOH's point).
I thought this was old news. the 9/11 commission report made it clear what his role was. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: A sad day for America, for the World. |
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This is totally disgusting. You have the US government, totally unchecked, trying to use testimony obtained by torture. Not a single thinking person in this world believes this garbage.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/03/14/bomber-confession.html
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The suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States confessed to the 2001 attacks and others when he appeared at his military hearing in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a transcript shows.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed claimed he planned, funded and trained attackers for 28 terrorist attacks, according to the 26-page transcript of the hearing released Wednesday by the U.S. Defence Department.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, pictured shortly after his capture in 2003, confessed to 29 terrorist attacks, the U.S. military says.Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, pictured shortly after his capture in 2003, confessed to 29 terrorist attacks, the U.S. military says.
(Associated Press)
Not all the attacks were carried out.
Mohammed confessed on Saturday at the U.S. detention centre in Cuba, the transcript says. The hearing, which began Friday and is ongoing, is being conducted in secret, with no reporters allowed to attend. The U.S. military is trying to determine whether Mohammed and 13 other alleged terrorist leaders should be declared enemy combatants and prosecuted by military tribunals.
According to the transcript, Mohammed said he was responsible for the Sept. 11 airplane attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington.
"I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," the transcript quotes Mohammed as saying.
During the hearing, evidence the military has collected against Mohammed in connection with Sept. 11 was presented, the transcript shows. Officials seized Mohammed's computer, which contained the airplane hijackers' names and photos, and a photo of one of their pilots' licences. Letters from al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden were also found.
According to the transcript, Mohammed also confessed Saturday to planning other attacks, such as the 1993 bombing in the World Trade Center basement that killed six people and injured about 1,000.
Mohammed also claimed to be involved in the plot led by would-be shoe-bomber Richard Reid, a British citizen who tried unsuccessfully in 2001 to blow up a transatlantic flight with explosives hidden in his shoes. Reid is now serving a life sentence in Colorado.
Torture talks blacked out in transcript
During Saturday's hearing, Mohammed's allegations that the CIA tortured him while he was in custody was brought up. One of the three military officials leading the hearing asked Mohammed if his confessions were made under duress.
"Is any statement that you made, was it because of this treatment?" the unnamed official asked Mohammed, according to the transcript. "To use your word, you claim torture. Do you make any statements because of that?"
Mohammed's answer is unclear in the transcript, as the military blacked out portions of his response. Later in the transcript, Mohammed is recorded as stating that he gave his confessions without pressure, threats or duress.
The military said it blacked out various sections of the transcript for security reasons.
On Wednesday, the military also released transcripts from the hearings of Ramzi Binalshibh, who is suspected of helping Mohammed with the Sept. 11 attacks, and Abu Faraj al-Libi, suspected of masterminding two bombings in Pakistan in 2003.
Mohammed was captured in Pakistan on March 1, 2003. He had been on the FBI's most wanted list since Sept. 11, 2001. |
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And you know he was tortured how OH? You were there? I thought not.
Just more of your anti america tripe. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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We know there was torture because even Cheney has said waterboarding in use there. That's torture. Also I can reasd between the lines and see whats going on.
More importantly than the torture is that they refuse to put him to trial in the US. If they're not fighting for the constitution and the rule of law what they hell are they fighting for? |
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