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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: So the GF and I had a heated debate today... |
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we were chatting about the rights Koreans have outside of Korea. As it turns out, when you leave this country you must still follow Korean law.
She was telling me that this K-Dude went on holiday to Holland and happend to puff down in Amsterdam. The guy came home, posted his holiday travels on the net, and then BAM! Busted, he went to jail. For having a smoko in another country.
Now there is also the case of the K-teacher/Canadian porn star...Almond Joy or something like that. She went to Canada to study, became broke, and did some "films". Now, was her motive to do porn and make money or study, I don't know or care. But I do know two things: 1) It is not against the law to film porn in Canada 2) that when she came back to Korea she was fined W10,000,000 by the K-government because hard core porn is illegal.
My point is this, that law blows donkey knobs! If it is okay to do what your doing in the country your in, there is no way you should be penalized in your home country upon return. I tried to tell the GF that if I went to Germany and did 200Kmph on the Autobon, should I lose my license when I got back home to my country. Or if I have a bowl of dog soup here in Korea, should I be charged for eating a K-9 at home.
The point I was trying to make to her was that when travelling, you should have the option of experiencing a countries options/oppurtunities. If they are legal in that host country one should not have to suffer consequences when going home if illegal at home.
What is your take...
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Agreed, but I bet there are some circumstances where I might disagree. |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Agreed, but I bet there are some circumstances where I might disagree. |
Where do you draw the line Geddes?
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Well, this stuff isn't just happening in Korea.
Canada and other nations are now charging sex tourists who commit their crimes in othre countries. However, I'd say that's quite a bit more grave than puffing on a doobie in Holland.
It's a wack law and quite illegitimate. However, it's up to Koreans to change it or keep it the way it is. Not you or I. |
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Sine qua non
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Agreed, but I bet there are some circumstances where I might disagree. |
Where do you draw the line Geddes? |
Seconded.
I can't see any reason that one nation has control over the body of a person in another nation. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| I hear (could be false) that it is illegal for US citizens to smoke a Cuban cigar when out of the country. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: |
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The drug laws are pretty strict. Yes, Koreans can get arrested for smoking drugs in another country where it's legal. And it sucks what happened to Almond Tease.
I think when you go to another country, you're obligated to follow their laws, and it's really your choice which laws from your home country you really need to follow. Probably none of us here havea problem drinking in public. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Agreed, but I bet there are some circumstances where I might disagree. |
Where do you draw the line Geddes?
DK |
Seeing as I am not an expert on other countries' laws, it is hard for me to say either way for sure, so I said what I said. I would say circumstances where violence is allowed, or for the child molesting tourists.
I think there is a big difference between laws that do and don't cause harm.
For example, things dealing with alcohol and drugs, I couldn't care less about, even though I am 100% for the criminalization of illegal drugs in Canada. |
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Hijynx
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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I can see both sides...
However, as a citizen of the U.S., I would want some bastard who traveled to a remote area of Africa to assist in female genital mutilation to get his due when he came back.
It's an extreme example, but I hope you can see where I'm going with it.
As someone else asked... where do you draw the line? |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Hijynx wrote: |
I can see both sides...
However, as a citizen of the U.S., I would want some *beep* who traveled to a remote area of Africa to assist in female genital mutilation to get his due when he came back.
It's an extreme example, but I hope you can see where I'm going with it.
As someone else asked... where do you draw the line? |
This is pretty much what I was trying to say but I couldn't think of a good example. |
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| There is a fundamental difference between the examples of drug taking or pornography and the examples of female circumcision and child molesting. Drug taking and pornography have no adverse effects on (unwilling) third parties whereas female circumcision and child molesting take advantage of minors who have no say in the matter. I think that this is where you can draw the line. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
Well, this stuff isn't just happening in Korea.
Canada and other nations are now charging sex tourists who commit their crimes in othre countries. However, I'd say that's quite a bit more grave than puffing on a doobie in Holland.
It's a wack law and quite illegitimate. However, it's up to Koreans to change it or keep it the way it is. Not you or I. |
I am not sure where I read it, but there is a US law saying if you have sex with anyone under the age of 18 in another country you can be busted for it. So stay away from those middle school girls you perv! |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
| There is a fundamental difference between the examples of drug taking or pornography and the examples of female circumcision and child molesting. Drug taking and pornography have no adverse effects on (unwilling) third parties whereas female circumcision and child molesting take advantage of minors who have no say in the matter. I think that this is where you can draw the line. |
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But....the genital thing.... it's... my culture.... my african heritage... you racist! (well, not mine, but that's what you'll hear someone say in defense). |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
Well, this stuff isn't just happening in Korea.
Canada and other nations are now charging sex tourists who commit their crimes in othre countries. However, I'd say that's quite a bit more grave than puffing on a doobie in Holland.
It's a wack law and quite illegitimate. However, it's up to Koreans to change it or keep it the way it is. Not you or I. |
Well, for the sex tourism thing, there is a lot of pre-arranged agreement and cooperation to hunt those pervs down. There is no such pre-arrangement towards enforcing drug laws in Korea.
It's just one more example of rule *by* law instead of rule *of* law, i.e., picking and choosing when to enforce the law instead of sensibly applying it. |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: |
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I think there is a point being missed here. Child prostitution is illegal in every country in this world. So that doesn't count here. A to B to C, either way it is wrong. But having a burn in Holland is not illegal. But if you come home to Kimchi-ville your in the slammer. See what I mean?
How would you feel if you were an American and got arrested if the federal government caught you puffing down one of Castro's finest up in Toronto?
How would you feel if you were a Canadian getting fined at home for speeding in Germany?
I think that Almond Tease and K-Puff dude got the wrong end of the stick.
I am all for a dude getting his dues if he goes to Africa and mutilates a girl, dont get me wrong for a second. But if it is legal, should he get in trouble in his home country? I don't know. He broke no law of the land that he was on at the time of the act.
You can say there is a big difference between getting high and speeding vs hurting someone, but there are people out there that will go on saying that drugs ruins communities and that speeding kills too...
DK
ps, if someone out here thinks I condone people being hurt and not paying the price for it, save your comments. That is not the direction I am heading in. I am trying to discuss what one does, where one does it, and the consequences one faces when returning home and should there be any. |
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