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Real Reality
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 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: Foreigner dies as doctors stage protest |
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Foreigner dies as doctors stage protest
An immigrant worker died Wednesday because doctors from across the country were staging a protest in Seoul. His wife told police that he seems to have choked on a piece of chicken bone. Police are investigating the exact cause of his death.
He was the first known casualty of the nationwide strike against a revision of the medical law.
An acquaintance said that delay of an ambulance car worsened the situation. "We called the emergency service team at a nearby fire station to send us an ambulance, but it did not arrive 10 minutes after the call, so we had to move the patient ourselves," said pastor Ahn Dae-hwan of the Gwangju Migrant Workers Center.
By Shin Hae-in, The Korea Herald (March 23, 2007)
https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/03/23/200703230008.asp |
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English_Ocean
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Reminds me of when Ontario doctors went on strike over extra billing. Not a good time to be unhealthy. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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RR..any Koreans die during this doctor protest?
Oh wait they don't matter to your quest...my bad. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
RR..any Koreans die during this doctor protest?
Oh wait they don't matter to your quest...my bad. |
Foreigner dies as doctors stage protest
He was the first known casualty of the nationwide strike against a revision of the medical law.
By Shin Hae-in, The Korea Herald (March 23, 2007)
https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/03/23/200703230008.asp
Here is some more for you.
UN Seeks Punishment on Employers Infringing Human Rights
Lee Chol-seung, an activist, said that the government�s forceful crackdown on illegal migrant workers has led to deaths of the workers, as took place recently at the Yosu Immigration Detention Center.... "Korean and the Korean media's indifference toward the difficult situation of migrant workers is just deplorable," he said.
By Park Chung-a, Korea Times (March 21, 2007)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200703/kt2007032118424711970.htm
Foreign workers targets for discrimination
By Yoon Hee-sang, The Korea Herald (August 10, 2006)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/08/10/200608100045.asp |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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He was the first casualty indeed.
Still any Koreans suffered because of this strike?
Oh damn..my bad again...Koreans do not register as human in your book RR. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
He was the first casualty indeed.
Still any Koreans suffered because of this strike?
Oh damn..my bad again...Koreans do not register as human in your book RR. |
Perhaps, it is foreigners that do not register as humans to some Koreans.
UN Seeks Punishment on Employers Infringing Human Rights
Lee Chol-seung, an activist, said that the government's forceful crackdown on illegal migrant workers has led to deaths of the workers, as took place recently at the Yosu Immigration Detention Center.... "Korean and the Korean media's indifference toward the difficult situation of migrant workers is just deplorable," he said.
By Park Chung-a, Korea Times (March 21, 2007)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200703/kt2007032118424711970.htm
Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han
Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/special/200612/kt2006121219555767650.htm
http://photo.hankooki.com/newsphoto/2006/12/12/ensor200612122018471nofor3.jpg
Amnesty slams treatment of foreign workers
by Ser Myo-ja, JoongAng Daily (August 18, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200608/17/200608172229597179900090409041.html
Foreign women here can find marriage frightening
by Park Soo-mee, JoongAng Daily (September 7, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200409/07/200409072141067939900091009101.html
Miguk Naemse - Smell of Americans
By David I. Steinberg, Korea Times (March 2, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200303/kt2003030217021511600.htm
Koreans cast wary eye on world
by Shin Chang-woon, Chun Young-gi, JoongAng Daily (October 15, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200510/14/200510142210035839900090409041.html
Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200603/kt2006031716054754060.htm |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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What are they striking for THIS time?
They went on strike in the summer of '00 for about 6 weeks. I had to delay my surgery at that time. Not comfortable. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for proving the point yet again RR.
Why should anyone respect you when you clearly do not have the basic decency to recognize Koreans as human or worthy of your respect?
Your link post fest is old now....it is also tired and reeks of a bitter person in a very, very dark room somewhere. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Reminds me of when Ontario doctors went on strike over extra billing. Not a good time to be unhealthy. |
I've actually seen studies that showed death rates dropped when doctors went on strike.
One such example:
http://www.chiropracticresearch.org/NEWSdeath_rate_drops_during_doctor_s.htm
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Death Rate Drops During Doctor Strike
The June 10, 2000 issue of the British Medical journal reports on an interesting statistic that has occurred in Israel. It seems that three months ago physicians in public hospitals implemented a program of sanctions in response to a labor dispute over a contract proposal by the government. The article stated that the Israel Medical Association began an action in March to protest against the treasury's proposed imposition of a new four year wage contract for doctors. Since then, the medical doctors have cancelled hundreds of thousands of visits to outpatient clinics and have postponed tens of thousands of elective operations.
To find out whether the industrial action was affecting deaths in the country, the Jerusalem Post interviewed non-profit making Jewish burial societies, which perform funerals for the vast majority of Israelis. Hananya Shahor, the veteran director of Jerusalem's Kehilat Yerushalayim burial society said, "The number of funerals we have performed has fallen drastically." Meir Adler, manager of the Shamgar Funeral Parlour, which buries most other residents of Jerusalem, declared with much more certainty: "There definitely is a connection between the doctors sanctions and fewer deaths. We saw the same thing in 1983 when the Israel Medical Association applied sanctions for four and a half months." |
Related:
http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/26/doctors_death.htm
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Why Death Rates Decrease When Doctors Go On Strike
By Dr. Joseph Mercola
with Rachael Droege
A major paper by Australian researchers asks a question that should never have needed to be asked: Will more doctors increase or decrease death rates?
But sadly, with the state of health care as it is, this is a very legitimate, even necessary, inquiry.
The report, "Will More Doctors Increase or Decrease Death Rates?", conducted by the Center for Health Program Evaluation in Australia, refers to Australian statistics but I believe the information is relevant to America and other countries as well. The hypothesis? An increase in the doctor supply is associated with an increase in death rates. Read on to find out several potential reasons why this hypothesis may in fact be true. |
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Real Reality
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Thanks for proving the point yet again RR. Why should anyone respect you when you clearly do not have the basic decency to recognize Koreans as human or worthy of your respect? Your link post fest is old now....it is also tired and reeks of a bitter person in a very, very dark room somewhere. |
Post subject: Foreigner dies as doctors stage protest
Homer, please start your own thread about the Koreans that died during doctors' protest? Here I will provide you with some links to stories in the English edition of the Korean newspapers.
Doctors abandon clinics to protest
JoongAng Daily (March 22, 2007)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2873691
S. Korean doctors rally to protest medical law revision
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20070321/410200000020070321163424E9.html
Over 70,000 Doctors Close Clinics for Protest
More than 70,000 doctors, nurses, and other hospital staff gathered in front of the government complex in Kwachon, Kyonggi Province, yesterday to protest against proposed changes to the country's Medical Service Law. The mass demonstration resulted in staff shortages in hospitals around the country, causing severe disruption for patients.
The ministry setup an emergency hotline, 1339, where patients could call and receive information about hospitals and medical institutes that are not participating in the demonstrations.
By Kim Tong-hyung, Korea Times (March 21, 2007)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200703/kt2007032118462711990.htm
Foreigner dies as doctors stage protest
The Korea Herald (March 23, 2007)
https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/03/23/200703230008.asp
Doctors rally against medical reform
The Korea Herald (March 22, 2007)
https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/03/22/200703220047.asp |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
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Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Ah, you gotta love RR, he/she/it just keeps on keeping on to anyone who's willing to listen to the same 'ol story for the umpteenth time.  |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Reminds me of when Ontario doctors went on strike over extra billing. Not a good time to be unhealthy. |
I've actually seen studies that showed death rates dropped when doctors went on strike. |
I don't think the drop would stay down for long. And doctor strikes don't last long. Doctor strikes usually just effect surgery that can be delayed. People do die due to complications. So those would be removed from death rates. |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, doctors on strike? That's scary. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Reminds me of when Ontario doctors went on strike over extra billing. Not a good time to be unhealthy. |
I've actually seen studies that showed death rates dropped when doctors went on strike. |
I don't think the drop would stay down for long. And doctor strikes don't last long. Doctor strikes usually just effect surgery that can be delayed. People do die due to complications. So those would be removed from death rates. |
Well yeah, I believe it's actually a short term statistical anomaly. But the second study I cited does show that there could be an effect from excessive medical attention. Over medication is probably just as dangerous as under medication. |
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