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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: Bush: I'm the Hider. |
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BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS AN UNPRECEDENTED RECORD OF CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS
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Democratic White Houses Have Historically Cooperated: A Congressional Research Service report identified 62 instances of Democratic presidential advisors testifying before Congress in recent decades, 54 of them during the Clinton administration. [CRS Report RL31351]
30 Clinton aides testified 54 times [CRS Report RL31351]
Republican Advisors Appear Less: In contrast, the CRS report found zero instances of such testimony during the Reagan or Bush I administrations, and nine in the first term of Bush II, all of which involved Thomas Ridge and homeland security before the formation of a cabinet department. The only three instances in the last 30 years of an advisor refusing to testify were since 2002, under George W. Bush. [CRS Report RL31351 (emphasis added)] |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| What does "Bush I" and "Bush II" mean, by the way? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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That is a salient point and reveals much more than just what appears on the surface.
Bush is a hider, so much going on behind closed doors with spin and perfume and linguistic gymnastics on the other side of the door.
I am amazed at how many scandals of a very serious nature are bubbling to the surface. This alone should send him out that door and onto his buttocks.
I'll just list those in yesterday's paper (recent) and what comes to mind quickly. You can add the others that he has "hidden".
Gonzales and the firing of prosecutors
Military commissions / signing statements
UNESCO scandal, his personal appointee engaged in massive fraud
Raudulent changing of climate reports , Cooney- officials in his office/employee changed official climate reports.
Efforts to loosen up the strict accounting rules of Sarbanes Oxley
Scooter Libby, destroying the career of a CIA operative and much more.
Official orders, green lighting torture.
Inflationary budgeting and overspending, unprecedented...
Secret programs of military operations in sovereign foreign territory (Iran)
Gerrymeandering
Loss of millions of $$ guns, artillery devices, ammo in Iraq.
Pentagon can't find over a trillion dollars ******!!!
Statement after statement that can proven as lies.
Being asleep at the wheel during national tragedies, 9/11 , Katrina.
Voter fraud, Florida.
Repeated breaking of the NPT and development of new nuclear devices.
WMD
Breaking international law, the concept of Pre-emption.
This is just off the top of my head! So much more and most of this behind closed doors. Who will be the "revealer"? I am sure it will only be a little straw that will break this administrations back.
DD |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| What does "Bush I" and "Bush II" mean, by the way? |
Yeah, I've been trying to figure it out as well. I have to admit that I'm completely stumped on this one. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
That is a salient point and reveals much more than just what appears on the surface.
Bush is a hider, so much going on behind closed doors with spin and perfume and linguistic gymnastics on the other side of the door.
I am amazed at how many scandals of a very serious nature are bubbling to the surface. This alone should send him out that door and onto his buttocks.
I'll just list those in yesterday's paper (recent) and what comes to mind quickly. You can add the others that he has "hidden".
Gonzales and the firing of prosecutors
Military commissions / signing statements
UNESCO scandal, his personal appointee engaged in massive fraud
Raudulent changing of climate reports , Cooney- officials in his office/employee changed official climate reports.
Efforts to loosen up the strict accounting rules of Sarbanes Oxley
Scooter Libby, destroying the career of a CIA operative and much more.
Official orders, green lighting torture.
Inflationary budgeting and overspending, unprecedented...
Secret programs of military operations in sovereign foreign territory (Iran)
Gerrymeandering
Loss of millions of $$ guns, artillery devices, ammo in Iraq.
Pentagon can't find over a trillion dollars ******!!!
Statement after statement that can proven as lies.
Being asleep at the wheel during national tragedies, 9/11 , Katrina.
Voter fraud, Florida.
Repeated breaking of the NPT and development of new nuclear devices.
WMD
Breaking international law, the concept of Pre-emption.
This is just off the top of my head! So much more and most of this behind closed doors. Who will be the "revealer"? I am sure it will only be a little straw that will break this administrations back.
DD |
I just perused your list real quickly, but name 1 nulcear device we developed? what? nuclear bunker busters? you mean the project that was CANCELLED?
"Secret programs of military operations in sovereign foreign territory (Iran)"
Wow you are a piece of work.. Do you really believe that the first time US forces ever carried out covert ops in another nation was during the Bush admin? if so, what are you smoking?
Also which international law was broken by Bush? |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| There have been two presidents named Bush. Bush I (Daddy), and Bush II (Current a$$clown). |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| hubba bubba wrote: |
| There have been two presidents named Bush. Bush I (Daddy), and Bush II (Current a$$clown). |
They knew that. They are simply a$$clowns themselves. They think you readers are all stupid enough to think that was either 1. clever or 2. an indictement of the post/poster. This is the modus operandi on this board for those who canot fight fact and truth with anything else but strawmen and bullshit.
I will say GAJ has done alright on the GW issue, but a$$clown he is on some other threads. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but you'd have to admit, the country has never been better than under the two Bush's.  |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely:
- Nearly 4,000 more Americans dead.
- Zero standing on the world political stage.
- From Leader to Pariah in 6 short years.
- The greatest deficits we have ever seen, by far, while the Bush Cadre, et. al., counts its chips.
- The Bill of Rights stripped bare.
- Being spied on.
- Having our e-mails read.
- Having our library lists read.
- Having our internet and phone messages read/listened to.
- Voter fraud unpunished/uninvestigated.
- Executive branch lies to us and to Congress.
- Environmental rules pealed back.
- The congress has no oversight of the executive branch. (Tony Sniow)
- The Constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper." (Dumbya)
- Torture made legal.
- International treaties abandoned/broken.
- Etc., etc.
Yes, it's a beautiful time to be an American.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| hubba bubba wrote: |
| There have been two presidents named Bush. Bush I (Daddy), and Bush II (Current a$$clown). |
I see.
You and quite a few other psychologically-unstable haters -- not unlike our sandwich-making friend here -- are perfect candidates for the United States Secret Service's files on certifiable obsession cases. You refer to George H.W. Bush as "Bush I" and George W. Bush as "Bush II" -- presumably, as the sneaky leftists that you are, hoping that everyone else will buy your innuendo that they are like absolute monarchs or some other similar nonsense.
But you only come off sounding as petty and snide as those who spell "America" with a "k."
Carry on with this night's tantrum, BLT...and glad to see I was finally able to persuade you to lose that annoying, obsessive, signature line.  |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Can I have a link to where Bush actually said the constitution was "just a goddamned piece of paper" I don't doubt it but confirmation would be nice. If he is on record as saying that and he is still the president of the United States...............  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| a link to where Bush actually said the constitution was "just a goddamned piece of paper..." |
Yes, confirmation (besides Counterpunch or Jeff Rense uncritically repeating an allegation someone told them) might be nice. NPR, CNN, or BBC report. Better yet: direct evidence. Eye-witnesses. Memoranda or other recording. Et cetera.
Anything at all that might take issue with Wikipedia's claim...
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| "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamn piece of paper!"...later retracted due to lack of verifiable source. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Nice try, boys. Because it isn't on this list it didn't happen? Bull. goopher, exspecially, knows it was said. Thus, once again, proves himself a liar.
Along with being a general scumbag, as noted below.
And, yet again, jumps into thread tossign strawmen and ad hominems completely unrelated - and, of course, lies - to the topic.
The topic is Bush's improper use of executive/presidential priviledge. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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[url]Zero standing on the world political stage. [/url]
Yeah, that will be the day! Just goes to show your ignorance. The rest...WEAK, really so!  |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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George W. Bush has fewer and fewer allies. It seems like former generals don't like him, and there would be a good chance that current ones do not care for him, either. That is not how they felt about his father George Herbert Walker Bush who was skillful when it comes to political philosophy, and in some the older Bush was closer to Clinton, in my view, in terms of his ways than his own son, except Bush knew how to use the stick without upsetting all his allies unlike the son. I think his father had more of a respect for the institutions present in government.
I think the problem people ran into was former Nixon officials and hard core left overs from the Reagan administrations including people like Abrams are extremely hard-core and I hope they don't seem to have this imperious view of they know best and Congress and the people don't know anything. The administration acted like they knew better than the State Department, Colin Powell etc.... That all backfired, and the people are paying the price.
I would actually be incensed if I saw a closed door meeting with Rove happening. The public, I think, is tired of closed door things. They want some truth. Sometimes, I wish there was more of a parliamentary system like in Europe, Canada, or Israel so there could be a vote of no confidence instead of waiting for his term to expire. I want the truth.
I want the people those lawyers were to investigate to be investigated.
The problem is people would end up in court for a long time. However, I think the Executive Branch has overstepped itself, and if things must go to the 3rd branch, I don't oppose that, but I suspect a deal will be cut, and we won't learn jack. It's typical.
At least, I'd like to see Gonzalez resign rather than same old same old.... |
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