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Did Oswald have time make it to the murder scene?

 
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regicide



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:11 am    Post subject: Did Oswald have time make it to the murder scene? Reply with quote

See for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf8D6NuLIhw
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JMO



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had alot of questions about that video, then I went and read the relevant section of the warren commission. Oswald was positively identified by 2 witnesses. What is the point of this video?

Sorry edit again. There seems to be a glaring factual inaccuracy in this video. The warren report doesn't say he got on the bus 3 mins after he left the building. It is approximated at closer to 6 or 7 minutes after.

"The bus ride.--According to the reconstruction of time and events which the Commission found most credible, Lee Harvey Oswald left the building approximately 3 minutes after the assassination. He probably walked east on Elm Street for seven blocks to the corner of Elm and Murphy where he boarded a bus..
McWatters(bus driver) was able to testify that the transfer had been issued by him on a trip which passed a check point at St. Paul and Elm Streets at 12:36 p.m., November 22, 1963. 420
McWatters was sure that he left the checkpoint on time and he estimated that it took him 3 to 4 minutes to drive three blocks west from the checkpoint to Field Street, which he reached at about 12:40 p.m. 421 McWatters' recollection is that he issued this transfer to a man who entered his bus just beyond Field Street.."

The report mentioned later that the FBI average for the time it took to walk to the bus was around 6 and a half minutes. Roughly the same time as in the video. So this video starts off on the wrong foot completely and really it is amazing they can get the first time so wrong.


I'd like to be clear however on my main question. How can you discount the witnesses positive identification of Oswald?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, did they consider that the number of cars and traffic lights are probably different now than they were then? Watching that video was a waste of time.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Well, did they consider that the number of cars and traffic lights are probably different now than they were then? Watching that video was a waste of time.


Not onle a waste of time, but it ignores that Oswald was identified by two people shooting the cop. The same people this video bases its end time on. Almost funny, if it wasn't for the fact that people actually believe this stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
JMO wrote:


It ignores that Oswald was identified by two people shooting the cop. The same people this video bases its end time on. Almost funny, if it wasn't for the fact that people actually believe this stuff.


Oswald was identified in the discredited Warren Report killing Tippit. They are the ones, after all , who brought us the magic bullet theory.

If you believe in the Warren Report, looking at anything is going to be a waste of time.

This particular effort is nonsense, I agree. But the material layed out in the Men Who Killed Kennedy , for example, is not.


This is what one reviewer had to say in a recent review about "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" :


7 of 7 people found the following review helpful:

Conspiracy, but no theory, February 17, 2007
Reviewer: Alex (Geneva) - See all my reviews
To use the phrase 'Conspiracy Theory' after viewing these DVDs, would constitute a breathtaking stupidity beyond all reason and sense.

The only 'bias' is towards law and order, detection of crimes and democracy, so 'bias' is not the right word - 'healthy' or 'honest' would be more apt.

It was:

1) Criminal Conspiracy to murder;

2) Criminal Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and

3) Treason.

Here in these DVDs is enough evidence, which if all put into police statements or affidavit form, would be well enough to justify (at standards of court-level evidence), a number of 'arrests on suspicion' - which would be the logical conclusion, in order to facilitate further investigation, upon which charges and arraignments would be based.[/quote]


Theres proof in these videos that these men killed kennedy? Really? What is your reason for posting that video if you established it was nonsense before you posted it. My reasoning here is if you failed to applied any critical thinking to this particular video, did you apply any to these dvds?

Citing a reviewer is also not proof. After all they are in the business of seeling product. I will watch these dvds if you tell me that there is conclusive proof in them about the men who killed kennedy.

I d have a few questions.

Have you always believed that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Oswald? What level of conspiracy do you believe in? Roughly how many people do you think are involved in this conspiracy? For example were the witnesses part of the conspiracy? A rough list of the people or groups you believe are involved would be nice too.
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