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regicide
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: The Umbrella Man |
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June 1978 : Gallery Magazine
November 22, 1963, the day President Kennedy was slain, was bright
and sunny in Dallas. Why, then, was there a young man with an open
umbrella on Elm Street, less than 30 feet from the President's car
as it slowly passed by? Presented below is an answer to this
puzzle by a former consultant to the House Select Committee on
Assassinations.
THE UMBRELLA SYSTEM: PRELUDE TO AN ASSASSINATION
by Richard E. Sprague and Robert Cutler
INTRODUCTION:
To the skeptic who refuses to accept the idea that the Central
Intelligence Agency was involved in the assassination of John
Kennedy, nothing could be more convincing than to demonstrate how
one of the CIA's secret poison and weapon systems was used in the
assassination. Such a claim would have been scoffed at by
everyone, but the weapons system itself was made public by Mr.
William Colby, CIA director; Mr. Richard Helms, former CIA
director; and Mr. Charles Senseney, a contract weapons designer
for the CIA in testimony before the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence (the Church Committee) in September 1975.
The system is based on launching devices of various types, used
to launch a self-propelled, rocket-like dart, or flechette. The
flechette can carry either a paralyzing or fatal poison.
The flechette itself is very simple. It is about the same size
and looks like the tip of a large chicken feather. It is plastic
and has tiny tail fins. Many varieties were developed for
different uses. The great advantage of this weapon is that it is
recoilless, almost silent, and the flechette travels at a high
velocity which increases after launch. The flechettes can be fired
singly or in high-impact clusters.
It is propelled to its target by a solid-state fuel, ignited
electronically at the launcher. It strikes its target, animal or
human, dissolves completely in the body leaving no observable
trace, and totally paralyzes its victim within two seconds.
The launching devices developed by Mr. Charles Senseney at Fort
Detrick, Maryland for the CIA included a cane, a fountain pen, soda
straws, and an umbrella.
The umbrella was used to shoot President Kennedy.
The flechette struck JFK in the throat, causing a small entrance
wound, but leaving no other trace. The missile was about 5
millimeters in diameter, and the wound was 4 millimeters. The size
of the wound as compared to the size of the flechette is consistent
with other findings of this nature. This particular wound,
officially called an exit wound by the Warren Commission, puzzled
medical examiners and critics of the Warren Commission alike. The
critics charged that had the throat wound been an exit wound, it
could not have been so small.
JFK was paralyzed by poison contained in the flechette in less
than two seconds--so paralyzed that the first rifle bullet that hit
him did not knock him down, but left him in a nearly upright
position. A second volley of shots fired at JFK a few seconds
later struck a stationary, visible target. The paralyzing
flechette shot was fired by a man holding the umbrella launcher.
He was in close proximity to an accomplice. Using a radio
transmitter, the accomplice signaled the riflemen through each of
their respective radiomen in the Dal Tex building, the western end
of the Texas School Book Depository building, and on the grassy
knoll.
An exquisitely timed intelligence murder was performed. The
paralytic poison allowed two volleys of rifle shots to be fired
into JFK. He had become a sitting duck.
In what follows, the basic evidence for this sophisticated
murder technique and weapon system will be presented. Much of the
evidence, in the form of photographs, has been under the noses of
assassination researchers for many years. The testimony given by
Colby, Helms, and Senseney opened the minds of a small group of
researchers, who looked at the photographic, medical, and
ballistics evidence in a new way.
The coauthors of this article and researcher Christopher
Sharrett have now been able to clearly show that JFK's
assassination had to have been a carefully planned, well-executed
intelligence operation, using CIA weapons and techniques.
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Ya-ta Boy
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JMO

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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Once again this does not constitute anything approaching proof.
I'll ask you the same questions again. How many people do you appoximate to be part of this conspiracy? What is their motivation for keeping quiet?
just noticed this is from 1978. You're so invested in this, that you scour the web looking for anything to back up your ideas, even if it is as flimsy as this article or the video from your last post. this is your religion. |
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regicide
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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JMO wrote: |
Once again this does not constitute anything approaching proof.
I'll ask you the same questions again. How many people do you appoximate to be part of this conspiracy? What is their motivation for keeping quiet?
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It is just as much "proof" as the lies the government has told us in this case. Which you believe hook, line and sinker. Why? I prefer to believe contradicting evidence by people who have nothing to gain by speaking out.
The Doctors who treated Kennedy in Dallas and fifty nine witness’s state the shots came from the front. That is called primary evidence and it contradicts the official story.
How could you not consider that proof? Are you calling Dr. Crenshaw a liar? What would he have to gain by making up this story? What would any of the witnesses have to gain? The answer is nothing and they were telling the truth. But the truth was suppressed.
Look up Gayle and John Newman and read what they have to say. “The shots came from the knoll”. They are still alive and stick to their story to this day. You can see a video of them on November 22, 1963 and around 2000 saying the same thing: “the shots came from the knoll”.
I will repeat what I shared with you last month: The doctors who treated him say he was hit from the front.
Crenshaw treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital. He later stated: "Two wounds were visible. There was a small, round opening in the front of the midline of the throat. This became the site of Dr. Malcolm Perry's tracheotomy incision. In the occipito-parietal region at the right rear of the head, there was an avulsive wound nearly as large as a fist.... I considered the throat wound to be an entrance wound and the large head wound to be an exit wound. Along with many of my Parkland colleagues, I believed at the time that President Kennedy had been hit twice from the front."
In the following video he says:
"Something happened to the body between Parkland and Bethesda"
Why didn't you and others speak up, Dr. Crenshaw?
"Anyone, in 1963, who had anything to say that was other than the official story, was going against the stream" Dr. Crenshaw.
In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed.
He also states that the autopsy photos show a different wound to the back of the head than he saw on November 22, 1963. So the autopsy photos or Kennedy's body were altered according to Dr. Crenshaw.
Listen carefully to Dr. Crenshaw talking about the wounds and the fact that the autopsy was not allowed in Texas, like it should have according to the law at the time. Why wouldn't the Federal government allow a one hour autopsy? What would it hurt? The President was right there in a hospital and there was an experienced team of physicians ready to perform it.
Your question about "how many people were involved" is ridiculous. Who in the hell would know that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpBDuSJeH14
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Are you sure it wasn't just a Korean ajumma trying to keep her skin from turning the least bit brown? |
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JMO

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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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regicide wrote: |
JMO wrote: |
Once again this does not constitute anything approaching proof.
I'll ask you the same questions again. How many people do you appoximate to be part of this conspiracy? What is their motivation for keeping quiet?
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The Doctors who treated Kennedy in Dallas and fifty nine witness�s state the shots came from the front. That is called primary evidence and it contradicts the official story.
How could you not consider that proof? Are you calling Dr. Crenshaw a liar? What would he have to gain by making up this story? What would any of the witnesses have to gain? The answer is nothing and they were telling the truth. But the truth was suppressed.
Look up Gayle and John Newman and read what they have to say. �The shots came from the knoll�. They are still alive and stick to their story to this day. You can see a video of them on November 22, 1963 and around 2000 saying the same thing: �the shots came from the knoll�.
I will repeat what I shared with you last month: The doctors who treated him say he was hit from the front.
Crenshaw treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital. He later stated: "Two wounds were visible. There was a small, round opening in the front of the midline of the throat. This became the site of Dr. Malcolm Perry's tracheotomy incision. In the occipito-parietal region at the right rear of the head, there was an avulsive wound nearly as large as a fist.... I considered the throat wound to be an entrance wound and the large head wound to be an exit wound. Along with many of my Parkland colleagues, I believed at the time that President Kennedy had been hit twice from the front."
In the following video he says:
"Something happened to the body between Parkland and Bethesda"
Why didn't you and others speak up, Dr. Crenshaw?
"Anyone, in 1963, who had anything to say that was other than the official story, was going against the stream" Dr. Crenshaw.
In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed.
He also states that the autopsy photos show a different wound to the back of the head than he saw on November 22, 1963. So the autopsy photos or Kennedy's body were altered according to Dr. Crenshaw.
Listen carefully to Dr. Crenshaw talking about the wounds and the fact that the autopsy was not allowed in Texas, like it should have according to the law at the time. Why wouldn't the Federal government allow a one hour autopsy? What would it hurt? The President was right there in a hospital and there was an experienced team of physicians ready to perform it.
As far as your questions; you are going to have to look into that for yourself, because if you don't believe the doctors who treated him at Parkland or the witnesses in Dealy Plaza who contradict the official story, you aren't going to believe anything except for what you are told to believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpBDuSJeH14 |
Ok so lets look in to this. 59 witnesses that said Oswald was shot from the front. How would they know? You could shoot someone rght in front of me in a moving vehicle and I would have no idea if he was shot from the front or back. I am not an expert on the effect a shot from any direction would have on the body. This is not good evidence. Also shocking that you cite witnesses here, but do not believe witneses in the case of Oswald murdered the cop. Up close and personal witness testimony is much more compelling..as you can see the actual murder. when you are standing on a street, hear three shots and let the mind fill in verything else in, it is much less compelling.
With Dr Crenshaw I have a different question. I watched the video. I'm coninced he believed hat he is saying. What i want to know is..did you vet this? Did you check if they're were any alternate views to his? Any other reasons why the autopsy wasnt undertaken(other than grand conspiracy)? In short is this like the other video, where u don't check it at all. As far as I can tell, Dr Crenshaw has been heavily critiscised by his peers at the hospital and he exagerated his role considerably. That is after a cursory search. If you can tell me that you thoroughly investigated if his claims were ironclad I'll stop there. That would indicate that you are actively trying to rule out other possibilitie based on evidence. At the minute it looks like you are cherry picking data however.
In the end these small things are interesting and all but distract from my main question. How many people are involved? A rough number is ok..it would really help me get an insight to the whole thing.
"In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed."
Proof please. Don't let it distract you from the above question though. Thats the important one. |
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regicide
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="JMO"]
regicide wrote: |
JMO wrote: |
I'll ask you the same questions again. How many people do you appoximate to be part of this conspiracy? What is their motivation for keeping quiet?
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"In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed."
Proof please. Don't let it distract you from the above question though. Thats the important one. |
Who knew about it advance? Who were just part of the cover-up? Who ordered the Secret Service to stand down that day?
Motivation not to get caught? Most people don't want to get caught when they commit a crime. Some things like the Love Field Secret Service Stand Down Video have slipped out in recent years.
The Warren Commission was faced with a basic dilemma. Reports from Parkland Hospital, where Kennedy was rushed in a failed attempt to save his life, indicated one or more shots from the front of the limousine. These reports noted both a small wound in the anterior neck, and a larger exit-like wound in the rear of the head. But any shots from the "sniper's nest" in the Texas School Book Depository had to have hit Kennedy from the rear. The FBI's report on the assassination, unable to explain this away, had simply ignored the neck wound entirely.
The Warren Commission, with the help of the autopsy doctors and an autopsy report whose authenticity is open to question, decided that the Dallas doctors were all wrong, and that Kennedy had been hit with two bullets from the rear. One of these bullets, later named the "magic" bullet by critics, is said to have entered the back of Kennedy's neck, exited his throat, entered Governor Connally's back, broken a rib and exited his chest, then smashed a wrist and finally entered Connally's thigh, leaving a fragment there and later falling out. This bullet, containing rifling marks matching Oswald's weapon, was mysteriously found on a stretcher in Parkland hospital after the shooting.
The Commission was hard-pressed to find any of its own expert witnesses to bless this "single bullet theory." Lead autopsy prosector Dr. Humes, referring to the fragments in Connally's body and the nearly pristine bullet, said "I can't conceive of where they came from this missile." The single bullet theory also required that the bullet enter Kennedy's back several inches higher than the spot where holes in the President's jacket and shirt were measured to be by the FBI. This lower location for the wound was also noted on an autopsy drawing, observed by several witnesses including Secret Service and FBI agents, and measured more accurately in the long-suppressed death certificate. But the Warren Commissioners moved the wound upwards to fit their theory. The HSCA, relying on autopsy photographs, determined that the entrance was indeed lower down on Kennedy's back.
The single bullet theory is the tip of a rotten iceberg of false and misleading statements, missing photographs, missing tissue slides and a missing brain, lack of a chain of custody for nearly all key evidence, a huge number of actual witnesses whose statements don't fit the "hard" evidence, and findings reached in contradiction to known facts.
The location where three autopsy doctors measured the entrance of the fatal bullet on JFK's skull, for instance, doesn't match a trajectory from the Book Depository. Conveniently, the Clark Panel and HSCA later found that the autopsy doctors were simply mistaken, and that the true entrance location was 4 inches higher on the skull! This takes the notion of a "bungled" autopsy into new territory, to be sure. The higher location was partly buttressed by an apparent metal bullet fragment on one of the X-rays. This large disc-shaped fragment was far larger than any noted during the autopsy. Dr. David Mantik, using optical density analysis, compared this X-ray with another X-ray taken at a different angle. He found that the supposed fragment has been superimposed onto one X-ray, and is not to be found on the other. This finding has yet to be challenged in a scientific test.
The suppressed interviews of autopsy witnesses by the HSCA staff, never shown to that body's own medical panel, contain stark indications of medical coverup. Coupled with stunning new interviews conducted by the ARRB in the 1990s, there is now every reason to call the "hard" medical evidence into question.
Have you seen "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" .
According to one viewer.
It was:
1) Criminal Conspiracy to murder;
2) Criminal Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and
3) Treason.
Here in these DVDs is enough evidence, which if all put into police statements or affidavit form, would be well enough to justify (at standards of court-level evidence), a number of 'arrests on suspicion' - which would be the logical conclusion, in order to facilitate further investigation, upon which charges and arraignments would be based. |
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JMO

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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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So overall how many people are in this conspiracy? A rough figure is ok.
After that we can go through your pieces of evidence one by one. It seems like a logical starting point to me, so I can judge the plausibility of such a conspiracy. |
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regicide
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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JMO wrote: |
regicide wrote: |
JMO wrote: |
Once again this does not constitute anything approaching proof.
I'll ask you the same questions again. How many people do you appoximate to be part of this conspiracy? What is their motivation for keeping quiet?
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The Doctors who treated Kennedy in Dallas and fifty nine witness�s state the shots came from the front. That is called primary evidence and it contradicts the official story.
How could you not consider that proof? Are you calling Dr. Crenshaw a liar? What would he have to gain by making up this story? What would any of the witnesses have to gain? The answer is nothing and they were telling the truth. But the truth was suppressed.
Look up Gayle and John Newman and read what they have to say. �The shots came from the knoll�. They are still alive and stick to their story to this day. You can see a video of them on November 22, 1963 and around 2000 saying the same thing: �the shots came from the knoll�.
I will repeat what I shared with you last month: The doctors who treated him say he was hit from the front.
Crenshaw treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital. He later stated: "Two wounds were visible. There was a small, round opening in the front of the midline of the throat. This became the site of Dr. Malcolm Perry's tracheotomy incision. In the occipito-parietal region at the right rear of the head, there was an avulsive wound nearly as large as a fist.... I considered the throat wound to be an entrance wound and the large head wound to be an exit wound. Along with many of my Parkland colleagues, I believed at the time that President Kennedy had been hit twice from the front."
In the following video he says:
"Something happened to the body between Parkland and Bethesda"
Why didn't you and others speak up, Dr. Crenshaw?
"Anyone, in 1963, who had anything to say that was other than the official story, was going against the stream" Dr. Crenshaw.
In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed.
He also states that the autopsy photos show a different wound to the back of the head than he saw on November 22, 1963. So the autopsy photos or Kennedy's body were altered according to Dr. Crenshaw.
Listen carefully to Dr. Crenshaw talking about the wounds and the fact that the autopsy was not allowed in Texas, like it should have according to the law at the time. Why wouldn't the Federal government allow a one hour autopsy? What would it hurt? The President was right there in a hospital and there was an experienced team of physicians ready to perform it.
As far as your questions; you are going to have to look into that for yourself, because if you don't believe the doctors who treated him at Parkland or the witnesses in Dealy Plaza who contradict the official story, you aren't going to believe anything except for what you are told to believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpBDuSJeH14 |
Ok so lets look in to this. 59 witnesses that said Oswald was shot from the front. How would they know? You could shoot someone rght in front of me in a moving vehicle and I would have no idea if he was shot from the front or back. I am not an expert on the effect a shot from any direction would have on the body. This is not good evidence. Also shocking that you cite witnesses here, but do not believe witneses in the case of Oswald murdered the cop. Up close and personal witness testimony is much more compelling..as you can see the actual murder. when you are standing on a street, hear three shots and let the mind fill in verything else in, it is much less compelling.
[ How would they know? They heard them. People can tell where shots come from and some knew the word " report" as they were military. Bullets were wizzing over their heads and the Newmans dropped to the ground and protected their children from "the shots from the knoll" ]
With Dr Crenshaw I have a different question. I watched the video. I'm coninced he believed hat he is saying. What i want to know is..did you vet this? Did you check if they're were any alternate views to his? Any other reasons why the autopsy wasnt undertaken(other than grand conspiracy)? In short is this like the other video, where u don't check it at all. As far as I can tell, Dr Crenshaw has been heavily critiscised by his peers at the hospital and he exagerated his role considerably. That is after a cursory search. If you can tell me that you thoroughly investigated if his claims were ironclad I'll stop there. That would indicate that you are actively trying to rule out other possibilitie based on evidence. At the minute it looks like you are cherry picking data however.
[ If you believe Dr. Crenshaw believes what he is saying , then why don't you believe him? Why would he lie. What is there to corroborate? Would they have had to inject him with truth serum when he was alive in order for you to believe him? Forget what I say. Forget what McAdams says, what do you think? He is a doctor for Christ sake. He was there. ]
In the end these small things are interesting and all but distract from my main question. How many people are involved? A rough number is ok..it would really help me get an insight to the whole thing.
"In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed."
Proof please. Don't let it distract you from the above question though. Thats the important one. |
LOOK. THE WITNESSES SAY HE WAS SHOT FROM THE FRONT
PERIOD
END OF STORY
WHO SAYS OTHERWISE?
let's see. the government. the same government that carried out the act of treason and murder and killed the 35th President in broad daylight, blowing out his brains while he was sittingnext to his wife.
THEY ARE REAL BELIEVABLE PEOPLE.
AND
YOU ARE A FOOL
How would anyone know for sure who planned this thing? Would someone admit to doing such a thing. We can only see what happened that day through witnesses , photos, and videos. And there is plenty to see. All it takes is an open mind.
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JMO

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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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regicide wrote: |
JMO wrote: |
regicide wrote: |
JMO wrote: |
Once again this does not constitute anything approaching proof.
I'll ask you the same questions again. How many people do you appoximate to be part of this conspiracy? What is their motivation for keeping quiet?
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The Doctors who treated Kennedy in Dallas and fifty nine witness�s state the shots came from the front. That is called primary evidence and it contradicts the official story.
How could you not consider that proof? Are you calling Dr. Crenshaw a liar? What would he have to gain by making up this story? What would any of the witnesses have to gain? The answer is nothing and they were telling the truth. But the truth was suppressed.
Look up Gayle and John Newman and read what they have to say. �The shots came from the knoll�. They are still alive and stick to their story to this day. You can see a video of them on November 22, 1963 and around 2000 saying the same thing: �the shots came from the knoll�.
I will repeat what I shared with you last month: The doctors who treated him say he was hit from the front.
Crenshaw treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital. He later stated: "Two wounds were visible. There was a small, round opening in the front of the midline of the throat. This became the site of Dr. Malcolm Perry's tracheotomy incision. In the occipito-parietal region at the right rear of the head, there was an avulsive wound nearly as large as a fist.... I considered the throat wound to be an entrance wound and the large head wound to be an exit wound. Along with many of my Parkland colleagues, I believed at the time that President Kennedy had been hit twice from the front."
In the following video he says:
"Something happened to the body between Parkland and Bethesda"
Why didn't you and others speak up, Dr. Crenshaw?
"Anyone, in 1963, who had anything to say that was other than the official story, was going against the stream" Dr. Crenshaw.
In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed.
He also states that the autopsy photos show a different wound to the back of the head than he saw on November 22, 1963. So the autopsy photos or Kennedy's body were altered according to Dr. Crenshaw.
Listen carefully to Dr. Crenshaw talking about the wounds and the fact that the autopsy was not allowed in Texas, like it should have according to the law at the time. Why wouldn't the Federal government allow a one hour autopsy? What would it hurt? The President was right there in a hospital and there was an experienced team of physicians ready to perform it.
As far as your questions; you are going to have to look into that for yourself, because if you don't believe the doctors who treated him at Parkland or the witnesses in Dealy Plaza who contradict the official story, you aren't going to believe anything except for what you are told to believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpBDuSJeH14 |
Ok so lets look in to this. 59 witnesses that said Oswald was shot from the front. How would they know? You could shoot someone rght in front of me in a moving vehicle and I would have no idea if he was shot from the front or back. I am not an expert on the effect a shot from any direction would have on the body. This is not good evidence. Also shocking that you cite witnesses here, but do not believe witneses in the case of Oswald murdered the cop. Up close and personal witness testimony is much more compelling..as you can see the actual murder. when you are standing on a street, hear three shots and let the mind fill in verything else in, it is much less compelling.
[Your response to this is unbelievable. How would they know? They heard them. People can tell where shots come from and some knew the word " report" as they were military. ] Bullets were wizzing over their heads and the Newmans dropped to the ground and protected their children from "the shots from the knoll"
With Dr Crenshaw I have a different question. I watched the video. I'm coninced he believed hat he is saying. What i want to know is..did you vet this? Did you check if they're were any alternate views to his? Any other reasons why the autopsy wasnt undertaken(other than grand conspiracy)? In short is this like the other video, where u don't check it at all. As far as I can tell, Dr Crenshaw has been heavily critiscised by his peers at the hospital and he exagerated his role considerably. That is after a cursory search. If you can tell me that you thoroughly investigated if his claims were ironclad I'll stop there. That would indicate that you are actively trying to rule out other possibilitie based on evidence. At the minute it looks like you are cherry picking data however.
[Again , you make no sense. If you believe Dr. Crenshaw believes what he is saying , then why don't you believe him? Why would he lie. What is there to corroborate? Would they have had to inject him with truth serum when he was alive in order for you to believe him? Forget what I say. Forget what McAdams says, what do you think? He is a doctor for Christ sake. He was there. ]
In the end these small things are interesting and all but distract from my main question. How many people are involved? A rough number is ok..it would really help me get an insight to the whole thing.
"In fact many were threatened, discredited, and killed."
Proof please. Don't let it distract you from the above question though. Thats the important one. |
How would anyone know for sure who planned this thing? Would someone admit to such a thing. We can only see what happened that day through witnesses , photos, and videos.
I will leave you with the resources to find your answers.
You would be able to search for the answers you desire with two sources
in both camps. McAdams - Lone Nut Theory
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Spartacus: Explores conspiracy theories.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcrenshawC.htm
you can navigate to any topic from here. |
I'm just asking for an estimate of the amount of people that would be required for this conspiracy. You seem to know the sunject. So again..how many people do you think are involved in this conspiracy? A rough number is more than ok. I'm not sure why you are evading this question.
I've looked through those sources before. There is no conclusive evidence in either of them that Oswald didnt do it. And there is zero evidence of a grand conspiracy of any kind. Sure there are plenty of questions. But you do not establish a case by pinting out anomalies, you make a case by producing your version of what happened and proving it. You are unable to prove it as you have outlined above. Kennedy died more than 40 years ago. Nothing has come out in the mean time to prove that he was killed by someone else, or to point to the conspirators. You want to believe, its your faith, your creed. Unfortunately you cannot prove it.
So again how many people were involved? Who planned it? How exactly was he killed? Why was he killed? why has noone involved in this conspiracy admitted it(and supplie evidence to show so)?
Oh and please, please dont post any more links. i want to know what u think. Outline your version of what happened. I would be very inteested to know it. |
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huffdaddy
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: Re: The Umbrella Man |
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THE UMBRELLA SYSTEM: PRELUDE TO AN ASSASSINATION
by Richard E. Sprague and Robert Cutler
The umbrella was used to shoot President Kennedy. |
I thought the umbrella man was mocking JFK for his father's appeasment views while ambassador to Britain.
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JFK was paralyzed by poison contained in the flechette in less
than two seconds--so paralyzed that the first rifle bullet that hit
him did not knock him down, but left him in a nearly upright
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Didn't he stay upright because he was using a backboard? |
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: Re: The Umbrella Man |
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huffdaddy wrote: |
regicide wrote: |
THE UMBRELLA SYSTEM: PRELUDE TO AN ASSASSINATION
by Richard E. Sprague and Robert Cutler
The umbrella was used to shoot President Kennedy. |
I thought the umbrella man was mocking JFK for his father's appeasment views while ambassador to Britain.
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JFK was paralyzed by poison contained in the flechette in less
than two seconds--so paralyzed that the first rifle bullet that hit
him did not knock him down, but left him in a nearly upright
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Didn't he stay upright because he was using a backboard? |
I heard that too(backboard) but Ive never been able to find out if its true(i havnt tried very hard though). I read somewhere that he was a pretty sick guy, but once again I'm not sure. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Re: The Umbrella Man |
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JMO wrote: |
huffdaddy wrote: |
regicide wrote: |
THE UMBRELLA SYSTEM: PRELUDE TO AN ASSASSINATION
by Richard E. Sprague and Robert Cutler
The umbrella was used to shoot President Kennedy. |
"Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in FRONT OF or BESIDE the President." (my EMPHASIS)
----CHARLES F. BREHM, a combat gunfire experienced, United States Army Ranger, World War II, D-day veteran, & very close Dealey Plaza attack witness, quoted only minutes after the attack, and while he is still standing within Dealey Plaza (11-22-63 "Dallas Times Herald," fifth & final daily edition)
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JFK was paralyzed by poison contained in the flechette in less
than two seconds--so paralyzed that the first rifle bullet that hit
him did not knock him down, but left him in a nearly upright
position. |
Didn't he stay upright because he was using a backboard? |
I heard that too(backboard) but Ive never been able to find out if its true(i havnt tried very hard though). I read somewhere that he was a pretty sick guy, but once again I'm not sure. |
I read this today , and I am now not sure if the truth should come out:
Regarding what RFK would have done had he become President...It was the very valid question and the imperceivable reaction of what would befall the U.S. government, were it known that a Coup d' Etat had been conducted by the highest elements of power within the U.S. Government, in accord with those who controlled the nations industry, oil, and banking.
Despite my constant "demands for truth", my deep belief is that the U.S. could not have taken it then, nor could it now.
It would be similar to saying there is no Santa Claus, no God, no hope, .....your father is a child predator and murderer, and your mother, sisters and grandmother are all whores, and that even tho there is no God, there is certainly a Satan who does and will always prevail.
Regarding JFK:
He was very sick, with Addison's disease. He was given the last rights two or three times and injected pain killers for back problems by himself all day , everyday. In addition a certain Dr. Feelgood traveled around with him injecting a cocktail of drugs including methamphetimines, which were not illegial at the time. These drugs reported elevated his libito and his sexual desires were satisfied often with high priced call girls, often supplied by the "mafia". The girls also included an East German spy who was deported by the FBI after a talk with his Attorney General brother , Bobby Kennedy.
For the dirt on Kennedy see the Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh. There is another book coming out in May designed to bring down the Camelot "myth" as well.
First : you kill the man.
Then: you kill the legend.
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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The 'truth' comes out when you have evidence. Unfortunately humans believe in conspiracies because we inherintly believe in things we cannot prove because we wish them to be true.
Of course the existence of God cannot be proven, nor santa Claus, nor any grand conspircay regarding JFK's death. We are believers, storytellers. Our brains are wired to make connections, to assign cause and effect to random events. It kills us to think that a man may die or an atrocity commited with without a grand plan, a reason. Of course in real life this hapens all the time.
At least kids come to realise there is not a Santa Claus. If only adults could come to a more sane conclusion about their irrational beliefs. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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JMO wrote: |
It kills us to think that a man may die or an atrocity commited with without a grand plan, a reason.
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THE TRUTH HAS BEEN OUT FOR 43 YEARS, FOOL. LOOK BEYOND YOUR NOSE FOR A CHANGE. IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU , WITH YOUR BLIND FAITH IN GOVERNMENT , THAT HAVE LED THIS COUNTRY DOWN A PATH TOWARDS DISASTER. THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE TUMULTUOUS 60'S WAS THE FEELING OF THE STUDENTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD LIED TO THEM.
Geeze, I read that somewhere before. Sounds familiar. Posner, McAdams perhaps. Gerald Ford?
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