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A time for Quebec to clean up its mess

 
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: A time for Quebec to clean up its mess Reply with quote

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A time for Quebec to clean up its mess

Mario Dumont's astonishing surge has given the Action D�mocratique du Qu�bec enormous power to influence the province's agenda, for good or for ill. Mr. Dumont could use his new power to prod Liberal Premier Jean Charest into revolutionizing Quebec's economy, or he could drag Quebec society back toward its dark past.

Quebec is a mess. The province is overtaxed, overregulated, unproductive and stagnant. The unemployment rate is chronically above the national average, the weekly wage and economic growth chronically below it.

But Quebec doesn't have to be poor. Its workforce is educated and largely bilingual, it is rich in natural resources, it has expertise in manufacturing and financial services, and its cultural industries are vibrant. Even a few years of consistently enlightened government could transform the place.

Balanced budgets, sharply reduced taxes, laws restricting union power, and a move toward user-pay principles in education and social programs would be painful and disruptive at first but, in a decade, would turn Quebec into a have province. The past quarter of a century has been marked by the transformation of previously moribund economies: Britain, Ireland, even the rest of Canada. Now it's Quebec's turn.

This, broadly speaking, is the ADQ's economic agenda, and Mr. Charest often speaks of such things, although he has seldom acted on them. Even sovereigntists such as former premier Lucien Bouchard have argued that productivity is now more important than sovereignty for Quebec.

If things go well, the ADQ and the Liberals will work together to finally shatter the province's corporatist, communitarian consensus, bringing Quebec's economy and society into the 21st century.

But things could also go badly.

Monday's election revealed that Quebec society is riven by divisions, between Liberal Montreal and ADQ Rest of Quebec, with the Parti Qu�b�cois retaining its traditional bastions in east-end Montreal and the Saguenay. The Liberals are dominant in ridings with high immigrant populations, while the ADQ owns the old-stock regions. This could lead the ADQ to demand restrictions on immigration, or to force immigrants to assimilate more fully into the French Quebec nation. This could be very dangerous for the province.

Quebec already receives far fewer immigrants than it should -- 13 per cent of the national total, when its share of the population is more than 20 per cent -- who mostly settle in and around Montreal. The province's sluggish economy and restrictive language laws deter migrants, and encourage those who do arrive to leave.

If the ADQ pushes to restrict immigration, the long-term consequences will be devastating. Without immigration, Quebec's population will start to decline in the next decade. The French island in the English-speaking sea will begin to disappear beneath the waves.

Beyond the internal debate, Quebec must realize that there can be no further debate with Canada. Mr. Dumont insisted yesterday that he is not a federalist; that while he would not support a referendum on independence, he would push relentlessly for greater autonomy for Quebec. Jean Charest, to placate Quebec discontent, probably will be equally aggressive.

They should be careful. For one thing, they will be taking their eye off the ball by obsessing on Quebec's relationship with Canada, when they should be obsessing on its economic renaissance.

For another, they may not realize that Stephen Harper, by recognizing the Qu�b�cois as a nation and increasing fiscal transfers in last week's budget, has gone as far as he can, or wants to, go. There is no appetite outside Quebec for any further accommodation of Quebec exceptionalism. That file is closed, for both the Liberals and the Conservatives. Any conversation Quebec has about its place in Confederation will be a monologue.

Mario Dumont could be Quebec's first postmodern leader, or he could be the latest iteration of the Union Nationale. He could revive the Quebec economy, or incite ethnic tensions.

Pragmatic optimism is the secret to a happy life. So we cross our fingers and hope.

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Wrench



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the idiots keep votic block what do you expect.
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Slep



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
But the idiots keep votic block what do you expect.

Bloc.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great line from a neverendum of yesteryear. (I paraphrase)

Reporter to Parizeau: The first referendum lost Montreal many of its corporate headquarters jobs. Are you not afraid a second one will lose the remaining corporate headquarters?

Parizeau: No no. If we win we will just legislate any international company doing business in Quebec must open a corporate headquarters in our nation.

Quebec and Korea have a lot in common.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

If we win we will just legislate any international company doing business in Quebec must open a corporate headquarters in our nation.


Sometimes, in accidental moments of honesty, those running government reveal just how undeniably idiotic they actually are. People like that are more dangerous to a country than most terrorist movements.

I posted the OP because I love Quebec. I lived there for a short time, and enjoyed every second of it. Montrealers (in specific) are some of the most creative and energetic people I've ever met. Unfortunately, their talents are wasted, and the dynamism (which is real, unlike in Korea) near fully suppressed. Montreal could easily be the cultural, financial and 'cool' capital of Canada if it were not run by lefty class-warriors masquerading as either "federalists" or "sovereigntists".
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up in an English suburb of Montreal during the FLQ crisis and the PQ coming to power and the exodus of the corporate HQs to Toronto. I remember the Sun Life stink (one of the few companies that said flat out they were moving to Toronto because they didn't like the political situation). I ended up working for Sun Life out of university. My dad was (and still is) a professor at McGill and his lab was based at the Royal Victoria Hospital during the FLQ crisis. My dad was certainly a target. After the kidnappings, I remember soldiers in my neighborhood. Anyone deemed a potential target got a couple soldiers on his lawn, positioned behind a sandbag baracade. When you grow up with GI Joes and you're a boy, this is about as freakin' cool as it can get.

I also remember never having to use a wit of French in Montreal and a time when they key positions in government, business, and academia went to Anglophones.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les nationalistes, separatistes had a point when they said there was discrimination in the 1970s, 1980s, but the zealousness with which they went with phasing in the French language led to capital flight. The Liberals felt pressured to respond to the emotional talk of separation.
Both the PQ and Liberals did not focus enough on the fiscal mess in Quebec. Two referendums have led to a brain drain, calls of the OLF being the Ayatollahs of language etc....Many anglophones and allophones and some francophones left the province. Quebec has had a serious brain drain vis-a-vis Ontario and Alberta and to some extent B.C.

It is true the Quebec Left largely mismanaged the finances of the provinces leading to massive debt. So did the Liberals. Jacques Parizeau, though he was educated at a prestigious English university and obtained a degree in economics, did not address the debt of the province and its economic growth. It goes to show that attending a presigious university does not entail being qualified to handle what you studied such as managing the province's finances. Especially, if you are focusing on nationalism. Lucien Bouchard acted more of an economist than Parizeau and try to fix matters. I think not enough anglophones gave Lucien credit.

I think Charest wasn't popular, because to some extent he was getting fiscally tougher than the PQ. There are other reasons. He raised the cost of daycare, put a stop to the tuition freeze, if I recall correctly, but I am not sure how he addressed the debt in the province. Dumont is right the debt needs to be paid, but also taxes are too high in Quebec. If the taxes are too high, then people will go to Ontario where they are much lower. I don't think the premiers who came before Charest were better than him or equal to him except for maybe Bouchard.

Quebec does have a mess. It needs to be dealt with. People need to focus on the economy, buidling bridges between the anglophones and francophones. Because that was not being done, I left Quebec. I may return, but I would like the province to be more vibrant.

Charest was a member of the PC Party. He wasn't from the Liberal Party.
He is a federalist, and slightly right of centre, I think.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Jacques Parizeau, though he was educated at a prestigious English university and had a degree in economics, he did not address the debt of the provinces and economic growth.


Aside: Bush I think is the first president to have an MBA. Boy, that sure hasn't helped him.

I also recalled RB Bennett was elected largely on the belief him being a millionaire meant he had the financial acumen to handle the depression.

I'm seeing a small trend here.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slep wrote:
Wrench wrote:
But the idiots keep votic block what do you expect.

Bloc.


voting.


And Slep is wrong-look at the Charest promise to cut taxes again-all because the quebec Liberals are masters at extorting money from the feds, always raising the specter of seperation.


They are humiliated!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crusher_of_heads wrote:
Slep wrote:
Wrench wrote:
But the idiots keep votic block what do you expect.

Bloc.


voting.


And Slep is wrong-look at the Charest promise to cut taxes again-all because the quebec Liberals are masters at extorting money from the feds, always raising the specter of seperation.


They are humiliated!



Harper did give a lot of money to Quebec, but it was for two reasons.
1)To make the Bloc Quebecois weaker
2)To have a fertile ground for election Conservatives in Quebec.
He needs to gain a few seats in Quebec and some more in Ontario if he wants a majority. He is a strategist. He can't win with Newfoundland.
He needs Quebec and Ontario mostly.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quebec does deserve to be poor. They are simply paying for their own actions: voting Bloc, being xenophobes, etc. They deserve whatever situation they have.
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