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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: Marriage to an Arab is national treason� (Israel) |
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'Mixed marriages same as treason' (Illustration) Photo: Yisrael Bardogo
�Marriage to an Arab is national treason�
Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Arabs in Israel; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Arabic, 75 percent don�t approve of shared apartment buildings
Roee Nahmias
Over half of the Jewish population in Israel believes the marriage of a Jewish woman to an Arab man is equal to national treason, according to a recent survey by the Geocartography Institute.
The survey, which was conducted for the Center Against Racism, also found that over 75 percent of participants did not approve of apartment buildings being shared between Arabs and Jews. Sixty percent of participants said they would not allow an Arab to visit their home.
Five hundred Jewish men and women participated in the poll, which was published Tuesday.
According to the survey, racism against Arabs in Israel has seen a sharp rise since a similar survey was conducted two years ago.
In 2006, 247 racist acts against Arabs were reported, as opposed to 225 one year prior.
About 40 percent of participants agreed that �Arabs should have their right to vote for Knesset revoked�. The number was 55 percent lower in the previous survey. Also, over half of the participants agreed that Israel should encourage its Arab citizens to immigrate from the country.
Over half of the participants said they would not want to work under the direct management of an Arab, and 55 percent said �Arabs and Jews should be separated at entertainment sites�.
[I guess the neighbours aren't that different from each other. anti-Arab, anti-Jewish bigotry are all the same - anti-human.]
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3381978,00.html |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sad and wrong...
but how many palestinians or Arabs would allow their daughter to marry a Jew? My guess the figure against would be something like 99.9%.
In Israel mixed couples face ostracism and social exclusion. What do they face in Palestine? |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
Sad and wrong...
but how many palestinians or Arabs would allow their daughter to marry a Jew? My guess the figure against would be something like 99.9%.
In Israel mixed couples face ostracism and social exclusion. What do they face in Palestine? |
QED let's ignore Israeli racism? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Slep wrote: |
| QED let's ignore Israeli racism? |
No, let's put it in perspective. Racism is wrong everywhere. However, Israelis, unlike us, didn't grow up in a safe environment that allowed us to develop non-racist attitudes. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Slep wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Sad and wrong...
but how many palestinians or Arabs would allow their daughter to marry a Jew? My guess the figure against would be something like 99.9%.
In Israel mixed couples face ostracism and social exclusion. What do they face in Palestine? |
QED let's ignore Israeli racism? |
Why didn't you ask the OP why they ignored Arab racism? Fact: in most muslim societies, if you, as a male, want to marry a muslim girl, you MUST convert. If you try to pull a sneaky and whisk her away, they will vow to hunt her down (and maybe you as well) and kill her for marrying an infidel. Yes, we realize the lefty/socialist/PC crowd will not recognize that bad things come from the muslims (always from the U.S. or Israel) but, shucks, sometimes it runs on BOTH sides! |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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I to peform "sae bae" (bow) to my Korean mother and father in laws in order to marry my wife. And... to top it all off, they made me drink several bottles of soju.
The horror. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| Slep wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Sad and wrong...
but how many palestinians or Arabs would allow their daughter to marry a Jew? My guess the figure against would be something like 99.9%.
In Israel mixed couples face ostracism and social exclusion. What do they face in Palestine? |
QED let's ignore Israeli racism? |
Why didn't you ask the OP why they ignored Arab racism? Fact: in most muslim societies, if you, as a male, want to marry a muslim girl, you MUST convert. If you try to pull a sneaky and whisk her away, they will vow to hunt her down (and maybe you as well) and kill her for marrying an infidel. Yes, we realize the lefty/socialist/PC crowd will not recognize that bad things come from the muslims (always from the U.S. or Israel) but, shucks, sometimes it runs on BOTH sides! |
If you read the article, you would have known that it was from an Israeli newspaper. The Israeli press has no problems with speaking critically regarding these issues regardless of what attitudes some Jews have.
The article also did not dwell only on the issue of marriage. It also touched on things such as many Israelis wanting the Arab citizens stripped of their citizenship and not be allowed to be represented in the Knesset.
This would strike at the heart of the mantra of Israel's democratic spirit. There are a thousand articles, so to speak, on the Muslims. One or two on prejudice in Israel is quite valid. As one poster said, why ignore prejudice. I also added a post script stating that things are bad in that region as a whole. So I was stating that prejudice is a problem in the region. As far as marrying a Jewish girl, a Palestinian man in the West Bank would be looked upon negatively as well. He may be able to live, but he wouldn't be comfortable. I also posted an article where a mixed couple criticized both countries. I am sure some remeber that post.
You are quite corret that a Muslim girl cannot legally marry a non-Muslim man except in Lebanon (talking about Arabic countries), but the woman would have to convert to Christianity or he would have to convert to Islam, and both in Lebanon and Israel you cannot have a civil marriage.
You implied too much about the newspaper, the Israeli press, and the OP and didn't read the article. It was dealing with the ideas of democracy, co-existence, tolerance, mixed couples etc... It was not one thing. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: |
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The Israeli press has no problems with speaking critically regarding these issues regardless of what attitudes some Jews have.
The article also did not dwell only on the issue of marriage |
Unlike The palestinian areas......
Israel should develop some form of civil marriage... |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Bigotry & ignorance runs deep with the reactionary Zionist mind-set mostly because from its very origins,
their entire "agenda" has been perpetuated on the basis of one BIG LIE after another  |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| If you read the article, you would have known that it was from an Israeli newspaper. The Israeli press has no problems with speaking critically regarding these issues regardless of what attitudes some Jews have. |
Maybe they should censor all critical reporting like they do in Palestine and other Arab nations, then they'd get no adverse attention from the west?
I'm not excusing the situation in Israel, however lets remember that westerners are only able to hold such idealistic opinions because they come from comfortable societies that aren't under siege, nor have long histories of bitter ethnic conflict.
Perhaps we should focus on the worlds bigger injustices first before we get around to the relatively minor ones? I understand the kurds have been suffering massive discrimination and been denied a homeland for quite a while now. Then theres always darfur, which is infinitely more urgent and serious as humanitarian tragedies go.
| Igotthisguitar wrote: |
Bigotry & ignorance runs deep with the reactionary Zionist mind-set mostly because from its very origins,
their entire "agenda" has been perpetuated on the basis of one BIG LIE after another |
You obviously have a keen sense of injustice. How about turning that sharp intellect to the situation in Kosovo? I feel like reading something original. |
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Kalhoun
Joined: 30 May 2003
Location: Land of the midnight noise!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Bigotry & ignorance runs deep with the reactionary Zionist mind-set mostly because from its very origins,
their entire "agenda" has been perpetuated on the basis of one BIG LIE after another |
Do you want to elaborate on that a bit? Doesn't history have a way of repeating itself? (BTW, I am aware of the difference in that Israelis have the freedom to speak against racism.)
A bit of a twist on things: 
�Marriage to a Jew is national treason� 1936
Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Jews in Germany; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Yiddish, 75 percent don�t approve of shared apartment buildings
Over half of the German population in Germany believes the marriage of a German woman to a Jewish man is equal to national treason, according to a recent survey by the Berlin Polytechnic. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Kalhoun wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Bigotry & ignorance runs deep with the reactionary Zionist mind-set mostly because from its very origins,
their entire "agenda" has been perpetuated on the basis of one BIG LIE after another |
Do you want to elaborate on that a bit? Doesn't history have a way of repeating itself? (BTW, I am aware of the difference in that Israelis have the freedom to speak against racism.)
A bit of a twist on things:
�Marriage to a Jew is national treason� 1936
Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Jews in Germany; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Yiddish, 75 percent don�t approve of shared apartment buildings
Over half of the German population in Germany believes the marriage of a German woman to a Jewish man is equal to national treason, according to a recent survey by the Berlin Polytechnic. |
We shouldn't pull out the "Nazi card" any time someone is discussing Israel. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Kalhoun wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Bigotry & ignorance runs deep with the reactionary Zionist mind-set mostly because from its very origins,
their entire "agenda" has been perpetuated on the basis of one BIG LIE after another |
Do you want to elaborate on that a bit? Doesn't history have a way of repeating itself? (BTW, I am aware of the difference in that Israelis have the freedom to speak against racism.)
A bit of a twist on things:
�Marriage to a Jew is national treason� 1936
Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Jews in Germany; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Yiddish, 75 percent don�t approve of shared apartment buildings
Over half of the German population in Germany believes the marriage of a German woman to a Jewish man is equal to national treason, according to a recent survey by the Berlin Polytechnic. |
We shouldn't pull out the "Nazi card" any time someone is discussing Israel. |
I thought it was interesting that he brought that up. It made me think about that. Do you remember the Israeli folk singer who was quite aged, and she said she couldn't help but think of the Nazis when she saw how Palestinians were being treated. Her name was Yafa Yarkoni. Of course, Carter and a South African compared the situation to apartheid era South Africa. You can argue as a poster did that far worse things happen in the Sudan. Yet, what happens in the Sudan doesn't excuse what happens in another place, just as what happens in Palestine doesn't excuse the Arabs' silence of the Sudan. My take, at least.
Of course, many of the Egyptians probably had many among them who wanted the Jews of Egypt to leave when hositilities broke out between the Arabs and the Jews. These sentiments will change when the leaders from both sides give each other tangible olive branches rather than the customary thorns. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: call me a Zionist sympathizer, but... |
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Comparisons of Israel with the Nazis are fairly fruitless because:
a) Unlike the Palestinians, the Jews offered absolutely no provocation for the Holocaust
b) The Nazis were expansionist
c) The Nazis were totalitarian, and oppressed gypsies, homosexuals, Russians, dissenting Catholics, those with mental maladies, etc...
d) THE NAZIS KILLED 6-10 MILLION PEOPLE, MORE THAN THE CURRENT POPULATION OF PALESTINE
Get a grip, people  |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: call me a Zionist sympathizer, but... |
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| Kuros wrote: |
c) The Nazis .. oppressed gypsies... dissenting Catholics.. |
Thats quite interesting. I did hear that Nazi Gold looted from Jews went directly to the Vatcian. |
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