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I Hope Gingrich Is Not Running for Office on This...

 
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: I Hope Gingrich Is Not Running for Office on This... Reply with quote

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich equated bilingual education Saturday with "the language of living in a ghetto" and mocked requirements that ballots be printed in multiple languages...


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hubba bubba



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That guy is a fool.

I speak Spanish, so I live in a ghetto?

Being bilingual is nothing but an asset.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
That guy is a fool.

I speak Spanish, so I live in a ghetto?

Being bilingual is nothing but an asset.



I am for bilingualism in the U.S. in the true sense if instead of teaching French, German and other languages everyone is required, irrespective of race, to learn Spanish. If it is geared towards, Hispanics only, I agree with Gingrich that tax payer's money shouldn't be used for it, but I don't agree with this talk of using the word ghetto to insult Latinos or Chicanos. That really sounds prejudiced. However, I will say there are those who try to use Spanish as a political weapon to hire their own. In Dallas, they passed something in DISD saying all principals must speak Spanish.
There is a motive behind that that I strongly oppose. That's Mexican nationalism at work not diversity.
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Woland



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh. It's an obvious attempt to suck up to the modern version of the Know Nothings who inhabit the Republican Party. For the primaries, it may actually be a useful vote pulling strategy. As actual policy, it's a form of stupidism.

There's so much evidence that bilingualism benefits the individual both psychologically (increased cognitive flexibility, anyone?) and socially (increased job opportunities, anyone?). It would also make sense that having more bilingual individuals would have advantages for American society, especially in languages critical to national security. The linguist Stephen Krashen has commented in talks I've seen about being asked for advice from government security agencies on what they need to do to meet the demand they have for speakers of certain languages. They were thinking about training programs for English speakers, but Krashen consistently gives as a first answer, "Support bilingual education." There are plenty of Arabic speakers, for example, entering the American educational system, but there aren't many graduating.

Beyond this, it's more than a bit disingenuous to make this argument at a time when demand for English as a Second Language classes in the US outstrips supply. Immigrants see English as a need for economic and social advancement. To demand that they use English while not providing the means for them to learn it suggests a policy of another kind, and one that reflects badly on the nation.

EDIT: Fixed typo and word order problem.


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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Gingrich suggests is indeed stupid. But stupidism takes many forms, Woland...

Adventurer wrote:
Mexican nationalism...not diversity.


Ultranationalism, that is.

Yes, and this drives much of people like Gingrich's opposition to them. That is to say, Mexican-Americans play their part in this as well...
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope he does because he'll hang himself.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well... CA voters passed an initiative a couple years ago banning billingual education in the classroom. Result? Test scores are up.

I'm all for learning other languages and whatnot, but not teaching classes in Spanish makes sense to me. Why? Those being taught in spanish already know it. Those who don't know spanish are being taught in english.
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