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ghost

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: Many congenial places
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: Foreigner told - you are not welcome in this restaurant! |
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A foreigner recently arrived in a small regional city in Korea had a rather shocking experience recently when looking for somewhere to eat.
Upon finding a restaurant which was open, said foreigner opened the door and began looking for somewhere to sit. At that moment, foreigner noticed two of the restaurant workers sitting down, eating their meal (this was at about 5pm on Saturday afternoon). Foreigner starts to try to talk with a couple of words in Korean and the rest in English - but to no avail, because the two seated (eating) female workers start shouting and gesticulating for foreigner to leave the establishment!
Foreigner hardly knows any Korean at this stage but the tone and meaning were plainly obvious - not welcome in that place....
For the long timers here (in Korea) - maybe (hopefully) there is an explanation for that behaviour from the two Korean women (who appeared to be aged around 35-45) - for example, maybe some Restaurants do not officially open their doors to customers until later on a Saturday? The restaurant in question was one of those places with all those tiny little tables at just above floor level, where you sit and eat on the floor.
Interesting that the culture is so different in Korea compared with other countries. Ghost recalls being in Turkey the first time (in 1996) and not speaking any Turkish - but being welcomed and given the ''red carpet treatment" everywhere it went in Turkey - being offered mini glasses of tea, and pieces of baklava (delicious pastry) even though ghost spoke no Turkish on that first occasion (since then has learned Turkish to intermediate level). The point is - one does not need to learn the language in some countries to be made felt welcome. In Korea some places appear to pay little attention to make foreigners feel welcome. A rather cold, uncaring attitude is manifest on the part of the average Korean worker vis a vis foreigner, and this is a pity, because many foreigners will not be in a position to forge and consolidate meaningful links with Koreans - and those are the things which make foreigners feel good and eager to get up in the morning in a foreign land.
In any even, foreigner just wishes that the way Koreans greet one were more courteous, because it is depressing and unsettling to be treated in the way the foreigner was treated. In another store, where foreigner wished to purchase some items (a clothes store) - the two female employees again quickly made it knows that they were not interested in trying to fathom what foreigner required.
These two incidents (on the same day!) bring up an interesting point. That is - in small regional towns, most of the Korean shop owners speak no English whatsoever, and it would be up to us (foreign EFL teachers) to learn enough Korean to, hopefully, integrate better and feel more welcomed.
That is certainly what this foreigner aims to do.
Thanks for any feedback you may have about similar incidents.
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Proper response to those two "workers"?
"Eat me, mofo's" and then show them the cash they're not gonna get  |
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Smee

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Foreigner told - we're eating, come back later. |
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LuminairE
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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ghost, do you honestly have to refer to yourself in the third person?
and there's a dozen valid reasons why they could have wanted you to leave. if you can't understand what they said, then don't judge them outright... for all you know they were yelling at you to get out because they knew the restaurant was about to burst into flames.
always be creative before being judgemental. |
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ghost

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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LuminairE wrote: |
ghost, do you honestly have to refer to yourself in the third person?
and there's a dozen valid reasons why they could have wanted you to leave. if you can't understand what they said, then don't judge them outright... for all you know they were yelling at you to get out because they knew the restaurant was about to burst into flames.
always be creative before being judgemental. |
You are right - but it did not seem very friendly, and not used to that.
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Foreigner told - you are not welcome in this restaurant! |
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ghost wrote: |
A foreigner recently arrived in a small regional city in Korea had a rather shocking experience recently when looking for somewhere to eat.
Upon finding a restaurant which was open, said foreigner opened the door and began looking for somewhere to sit. At that moment, foreigner noticed two of the restaurant workers sitting down, eating their meal (this was at about 5pm on Saturday afternoon). Foreigner starts to try to talk with a couple of words in Korean and the rest in English - but to no avail, because the two seated (eating) female workers start shouting and gesticulating for foreigner to leave the establishment!
Foreigner hardly knows any Korean at this stage but the tone and meaning were plainly obvious - not welcome in that place....
For the long timers here (in Korea) - maybe (hopefully) there is an explanation for that behaviour from the two Korean women (who appeared to be aged around 35-45) - for example, maybe some Restaurants do not officially open their doors to customers until later on a Saturday? The restaurant in question was one of those places with all those tiny little tables at just above floor level, where you sit and eat on the floor.
Interesting that the culture is so different in Korea compared with other countries. Ghost recalls being in Turkey the first time (in 1996) and not speaking any Turkish - but being welcomed and given the ''red carpet treatment" everywhere it went in Turkey - being offered mini glasses of tea, and pieces of baklava (delicious pastry) even though ghost spoke no Turkish on that first occasion (since then has learned Turkish to intermediate level). The point is - one does not need to learn the language in some countries to be made felt welcome. In Korea some places appear to pay little attention to make foreigners feel welcome. A rather cold, uncaring attitude is manifest on the part of the average Korean worker vis a vis foreigner, and this is a pity, because many foreigners will not be in a position to forge and consolidate meaningful links with Koreans - and those are the things which make foreigners feel good and eager to get up in the morning in a foreign land.
In any even, foreigner just wishes that the way Koreans greet one were more courteous, because it is depressing and unsettling to be treated in the way the foreigner was treated. In another store, where foreigner wished to purchase some items (a clothes store) - the two female employees again quickly made it knows that they were not interested in trying to fathom what foreigner required.
These two incidents (on the same day!) bring up an interesting point. That is - in small regional towns, most of the Korean shop owners speak no English whatsoever, and it would be up to us (foreign EFL teachers) to learn enough Korean to, hopefully, integrate better and feel more welcomed.
That is certainly what this foreigner aims to do.
Thanks for any feedback you may have about similar incidents.
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You are anonymous so one doesn't know all the details of the story. I haven't had this happen to me, but we do know of stories of foreigners being refused service. This happens rarely and we only hear of that at a few night clubs, and there was a story about a sauna doing that. I never heard of a Korean restaurant doing that at all. I have always been welcomed very nicely in a Korean restaurant. So, I am not sure what happened.
I've heard of that but not at restaurants. As far as Turkey, the Turks consider themselves to be Euros, Caucasians, and they are not about to boot someone from America, England, Germany, or Canada. They want their business, and they are known like the people of the Balkans and others in the region to be very hospitable and for their kitchen and wanting people to enjoy their food.
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Travelous Maximus

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Korean restaurants are for Koreans only. |
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Canadian Club
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the person walked in without taking his/her shoes off. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty certain you just arrived in Korea so here's the only time I'll offer ya advice: Drop the pretentious tone and stop referring to yourself in the third person. It's annoying and it puts the reader off. I read the first couple'a lines of your posts and quickly moved on. I guessing you just got outta university as well. Relax kiddo, give it some time before offer'n advice or you're look'n at an early burnout and midnight runner.
As for your experience, it's extremely rare to come across a situation like that in Korea (Japan? maybe, I did.). They may've sensed your smug superiority and automatically put of by it. Relax, go in with a slight smile and you MIGHT receive better service. G'luck. |
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ChuckECheese

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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My advice is that stick your finger down your throat and throw-up in the middle of the restaurant and leave quickly. |
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jinju
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I once had my camera with me and I was treated rudely. I told the guy "I work for a large magazine and Im going to write about how rude Koreans are and mention your place of business. Koreans will hate you for making them look bad". He was begging me not to. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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kimchi_pizza wrote: |
I'm pretty certain you just arrived in Korea so here's the only time I'll offer ya advice: Drop the pretentious tone and stop referring to yourself in the third person. It's annoying and it puts the reader off. I read the first couple'a lines of your posts and quickly moved on. I guessing you just got outta university as well. Relax kiddo, give it some time before offer'n advice or you're look'n at an early burnout and midnight runner.
As for your experience, it's extremely rare to come across a situation like that in Korea (Japan? maybe, I did.). They may've sensed your smug superiority and automatically put of by it. Relax, go in with a slight smile and you MIGHT receive better service. G'luck. |
The third person made it a bit hard to read. Is he talking hypothetically? Did this happen to him? A friend? If you're going to complain about something, don't make your reader work to grasp your point.
A friend taught in a small Japanese town and there were certainly a couple restaurants that refused to serve the ESL crowd in town. I can imagine this happening in small town Korea as well. Small towns. Small minds. It's a universal. I guess try being black or brown and getting served in some restaurants in small town America. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, that sort of things is rare. There are some times I feel put off when I walk in to a store in terms of getting help. Sometimes it's the language barrier, but other times it could be outright ignorance on their part. The media has done a good job of demonizing US soliders, so there's a chance you could have been mistaken for one.
Try to let it go and hopefully the next place you walk into will be more friendly. |
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ella

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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It happens. I had a door closed in my face in a restaurant in Insadong. Sometimes we're paying for the behavior of previous foreigners, too; you can't blame it entirely on xenophobia. |
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Ecumenist
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Smee wrote: |
Foreigner told - we're eating, come back later. |
Or any of a number of normal, everyday reasons for being asked to leave the restaurant.
Methinks foreigner needs to get stick out of ass.
ella wrote: |
It happens. I had a door closed in my face in a restaurant in Insadong. Sometimes we're paying for the behavior of previous foreigners, too; you can't blame it entirely on xenophobia. |
Also assuming too much. |
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