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timhorton

Joined: 07 Dec 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: How to set up a Hogwon? |
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What is the process for opening a hogwon?
Anyone know the costs of various franchises? |
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bixlerscott

Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Better get a Korean girlfriend or wife that specializes in doing business here. As for costs, I have been wondering this too just out of curiosity as I was a business major in college. Must depend on the type, size, and location of hagwon. I do know that competition is fierce in the hagwon market. A nice building of a tradional folk art style not located in an officetel, a good looking female vice director for public relations, and white foreign teachers are necessary to have anything going on with a hagwon. I am guessing around 1 million US dollars or more to put up a hagwon that will get noticed and actually work.
The only foreigner I know that operates a brick and morter business of any sort is an Irish man who has operated a foreigner bar for the past 5 years in an officetel. He said he taught for a year and a half, went home for a little while and came back to open the bar. He is very happy here.
I am assuming he got a windfall of inheritance and took his money here to create his dream job. I did not ask how he pulled the financial part off with only having been a teacher for a year and a half, becuase it seemed obvious to me that his father probably had passed away at that point, leaving him some money. Even, an officetel rent and key money as well as other costs would be way out of reach of what a teacher could save up. Please, correct me if I am wrong on this one.
Yes, if you got a large sum of money, you can come in here, partner up with a Korean business consultant, and start a business of your choice; with the governments permission and not even need to mess with a woman here to get things done. In fact, if your rich enough, Korea will award you permanent citizenship and you can even outright own property. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I am guessing around 1 million US dollars or more to put up a hagwon that will get noticed and actually work.
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Maybe not that much, but a hogwan owner once told me that it takes a minimum 250 million won investment; so, maybe it would take that much to do it the way it should be done. |
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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But you have to be an asshole to become a hagwon owner or director. That's prerequisite.  |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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But you have to be an *beep* to become a hagwon owner or director. That's prerequisite. |
Some are born that way. They can't help it. |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ask, and ye shall receive....
EFL-Law guy is setting up his hagwon as we speak, and he has provided a step-by-step play-by-play of everything. Kind of neat:
http://www.efl-law.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1066 |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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bixlerscott wrote: |
In fact, if your rich enough, Korea will award you permanent citizenship and you can even outright own property. |
You don't have to be a citizen to buy property, do you? Doesn't GM, for example, own Daewoo now?
I know non-citizens can buy property in Canada (my American aunt owns her house), why would it be any different here? |
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Pak Yu Man

Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Location: The Ida galaxy
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Depends if you want to buy or rent the guilding and/or property. My wife and I started a school back in Daegu and we sarted with less than 100,000,000 won. The best thing to do would finds a new building complex going up, hopefully in a richer area. Most of your students will come from there. Offer a 50% off trial month. Once you got them in the door, then you can go full price.
You will need a Korean you can trust 100%. I would not use a friend or partner...I'd suggest wife or husband.
During your first 2-3 months get some privates at the school or get a company gig or two (legal if you report the income and have the right paper work). |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Re: How to set up a Hogwon? |
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timhorton wrote: |
What is the process for opening a hogwon? |
Bribe the appropriate officials. The amount depends on the number of potential students. |
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bixlerscott

Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Very interesting thread this has become. The case study of opening a hagwon. Next part is going to be even more interesting if it is documented. The opening and operation. I think the biggest challenge is getting paying customers, but with the right communication and channels of contacts, you got it going on then. Just easier said, than done.
I suppose if you had 500,000,000 Won or 1/2 mill US Dollar, you would be quite comfortable to take the risk for 225,000,000 or 1/4 mil US Dollar. Would take many decades for me to save up that much, which is why I have not gone into business career. I do not know how some people do it on the money part, but they apparently they do since they got the big money. |
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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In the U.S. you don't need that much to start a business. All you need is around 20% of what you actually need and the banks will lend you the 80% of the money you need aided by SBA (small business administration).
20% of investment capital, a good business idea, and a fairly decent credit are all you need to start your business.
Personally, I would not invest any money in Korea. Everything is jacked-up and over priced here. Everything in Korea appears to have a great potential to spiral down. |
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Ianinilsan

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Would take many decades for me to save up that much |
Not really. The first $50,000 would be the hardest. After that, you can make additional monies off interest and investments. |
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bixlerscott

Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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ChuckECheese wrote: |
In the U.S. you don't need that much to start a business. All you need is around 20% of what you actually need and the banks will lend you the 80% of the money you need aided by SBA (small business administration).
20% of investment capital, a good business idea, and a fairly decent credit are all you need to start your business.
Personally, I would not invest any money in Korea. Everything is jacked-up and over priced here. Everything in Korea appears to have a great potential to spiral down. |
Though I probably would not start a hagwon as a business if I were positioned properly, I found it very interesting as I had been wondering about hagwon internal workings as the Koreans tell you nothing about anything (literally nothing) other than your schedule.
ChuckECheese is right. This is exactly what I found a few years ago when exploring these options. It's the intitial outlay money and credit part that is tough for a young adult. You also got to have more money than that actually for 1st year operating expenses as well as collateral(real estate). Bankers won't deal with younger adults or those who do not already possess financial worth and a good financial management or business success track record unless the young professional has an older adult (parents) with wealth to back him/her up which in that case, he/she would not need the banker to make a business loan. Same sort of situation for simple financing a new car I found out too even if you do earn enough money to pay on it.
IlsanMan is correct. Saving the 1st $50,000 is tough, but it gets better after that through dividends and other earnings. Again, that 1st $50,000 is what is taking me a lifetime to achieve. Guess it does for many people...
Interesting thread on business, finance, and hagwons |
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timhorton

Joined: 07 Dec 2005
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: and.... |
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I read this post..seems that the hogwon idea was moving along well..then the postings stopped. I wonder what happened? Did it open? |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know.. send him a PM over there. |
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