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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: How do you buy a house in Korea? Reply with quote

What information or tips can some of you older, wiser people give about buying a home in Korea. Or perhaps once you marry. Do people put it in their wife's name? Can foreigners buy it themselves? Can we get loans easily? Are certain banks more accepting?

Thanks!
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several of us have taken advantage of the following relaxed restrictions on foreigners buying/owning property in Korea.

(From KOTRA's website)
In terms of restrictions on the purchase of property or use of property, the real estate market was completely deregulated in June of 1998 and foreigners can now purchase land on the same basis as local residents without any limitations on the size or use of land. There are also no longer restrictions on the purchase of land by a foreign invested company for non-business purposes.

(I wonder if this is still true of the PI)
In contrast to the Philippines and China, which do not give foreigners the right to purchase property, Korea has almost no restrictions on the purchase or use of land/buildings by foreigners and the property market is open to foreign investment.

So, there's the Korean government's own answer to your question whether foreigners can buy property themselves (yes), or whether it must be in a Korean spouse's name (no). And I can personally vouch for it as well, as can friends and acquaintances of mine.

Nearly every foreigner I personally know who is married to a Korean and who has purchased property here since June 1998 did so in their Korean spouse's name. This wasn't necessary, and it's not clear to me that all of them understood that. Oh, most of them discussed their initial plans of registering it in their own name, or in some sort of joint-ownership arrangement that they assumed was just as common in Korea as it is in the West (which it is not).

But in every case -- even those where the foreigner provided 100% of the funds -- they relented or became confused or got cold feet, and the property always ended up being solely in the Korean's name.

Now, it's always heart-warming when a couple can place enormous faith in the strength and longevity of their marriage. But these foreigners (husbands for the most part) are putting a measure of trust in theirs that would seem foolhardy in their own countries. Divorce rates today in general, and those for interracial marriages in particular, being what they are, I can only wish them the very, very best.

As a result, the only foreigners I know who own real estate in Korea in their own name are: single; married to another foreigner; or married to a Korean now, but purchased their property while they were single.

More about bank loans next time.
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chiaa



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell us about the bank loans!


Please
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry... forgot all about this. You should have PM-ed me, Chiaa. It's not like this thread's just burning up the boards, is it? Sad

I'm really no expert, and I wish other posters would chip in with their own thoughts, experiences or questions.

Anyway, let's see if I can say something here about bank loans that's so provocative, so incendiary, that the JoongAng Ilbo sees fit to write it up, prompting the K-nutizens to rush the Cafe, and Mr. S yanks this thread and bans all future talk of us big-noses buying real estate in Korea! Razz

"Tell us about bank loans!"... Okay, we're discussing home loans, not other types of consumer credit, auto financing, etc. And what you're wanting to know is: "Can I, the average foreigner, walk into a bank here, fill out an application for a home loan, and expect my chances of getting one will be just as good as the average Korean's?"

I won't say "No, never", because there's a first time for everything. But generally, it isn't going to work that way. The constitution of the Republic may say you can't be discriminated against based on your race or nationality (not sure that it does, however), but it is policy -- internal or government-- not the constitution, that banks look to when making day-to-day loan decisions. And according to policy governing loan decisions, foreigners are typically at an automatic disadvantage vis-a-vis people with surnames like Kim, Lee, Park, Choi, Shin...generally speaking.

When a foreigner asks for a loan, a bank is going to have the same misgivings as a credit-card issuer, a mobile phone vendor, and (sorry Derrek) some video rental shops. We all know that foreigners are usually required to put up an additional deposit for these relatively small-ticket items. With home loans, of course, we're in a whole different galaxy of risk, and this is where your foreigner status and your visa become obstacles.

Remember, although it's stamped in your passport, that visa isn't really yours to extend or renew as you see fit, but rather it is extended, renewed, or revoked at the whim of, firstly, an employer, and ultimately a bureau within the Ministry of Justice -- none of whom give a whit about any financial relationship or obligation you might have with a Korean bank.

Banks know this, and they know you're potentially one visa violation -- one pissed-off employer with a grudge and a brother-in-law at Immigration -- away from being deported... and effectively slipping outside the bank's reach. Or, you might simply abscond overseas, and banks would worry about that possibility, too.

Yes, yes, it's quite true that a handful of Koreans have done exactly that: taken out big bank loans and then fled the country. And banks are scrambling to minimise the risk of that happening. But you'll understand that's hardly a compelling argument, from the banks' position, for doling out loans to foreigners who might do the same thing!

Ran out of time. More later. Specific questions, anyone?
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funplanet



Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my place a year ago with no problems....get a good realtor and learn all you can about it...my gf helped me do all the paperwork and running around...

more complicated than in the states but not bad at all....

paid all up front so no bank loans though my bank was willing to finance 50% (cause I'm a foreigner I guess)

good news...25% increase in property value Very Happy
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Sorry... forgot all about this. You should have PM-ed me, Chiaa. It's not like this thread's just burning up the boards, is it? Sad

I'm really no expert, and I wish other posters would chip in with their own thoughts, experiences or questions.

Anyway, let's see if I can say something here about bank loans that's so provocative, so incendiary, that the JoongAng Ilbo sees fit to write it up, prompting the K-nutizens to rush the Cafe, and Mr. S yanks this thread and bans all future talk of us big-noses buying real estate in Korea! Razz

"Tell us about bank loans!"... Okay, we're discussing home loans, not other types of consumer credit, auto financing, etc. And what you're wanting to know is: "Can I, the average foreigner, walk into a bank here, fill out an application for a home loan, and expect my chances of getting one will be just as good as the average Korean's?"

I won't say "No, never", because there's a first time for everything. But generally, it isn't going to work that way. The constitution of the Republic may say you can't be discriminated against based on your race or nationality (not sure that it does, however), but it is policy -- internal or government-- not the constitution, that banks look to when making day-to-day loan decisions. And according to policy governing loan decisions, foreigners are typically at an automatic disadvantage vis-a-vis people with surnames like Kim, Lee, Park, Choi, Shin...generally speaking.

When a foreigner asks for a loan, a bank is going to have the same misgivings as a credit-card issuer, a mobile phone vendor, and (sorry Derrek) some video rental shops. We all know that foreigners are usually required to put up an additional deposit for these relatively small-ticket items. With home loans, of course, we're in a whole different galaxy of risk, and this is where your foreigner status and your visa become obstacles.

Remember, although it's stamped in your passport, that visa isn't really yours to extend or renew as you see fit, but rather it is extended, renewed, or revoked at the whim of, firstly, an employer, and ultimately a bureau within the Ministry of Justice -- none of whom give a whit about any financial relationship or obligation you might have with a Korean bank.

Banks know this, and they know you're potentially one visa violation -- one pissed-off employer with a grudge and a brother-in-law at Immigration -- away from being deported... and effectively slipping outside the bank's reach. Or, you might simply abscond overseas, and banks would worry about that possibility, too.

Yes, yes, it's quite true that a handful of Koreans have done exactly that: taken out big bank loans and then fled the country. And banks are scrambling to minimise the risk of that happening. But you'll understand that's hardly a compelling argument, from the banks' position, for doling out loans to foreigners who might do the same thing!

Ran out of time. More later. Specific questions, anyone?


Like it or not, bloody well said.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

funplanet wrote:
I bought my place a year ago with no problems....get a good realtor and learn all you can about it...my gf helped me do all the paperwork and running around...

more complicated than in the states but not bad at all....

paid all up front so no bank loans though my bank was willing to finance 50% (cause I'm a foreigner I guess)

good news...25% increase in property value Very Happy


Though Koreans may say ������ ���� ��� �谡 ������, I'm fairly certain that you and I aren't cousins. So, as one homeowner to another, I congratulate you, Funplanet. A belated "Well done, and welcome aboard!" (You should be receiving your official membership pin & decoder ring soon, and I'll teach you the secret handshake at the next Bund meeting.)

Indeed, far from feeling a pain in the stomach, I'm always pleased to hear that another of us has exercised their Tangun-given (and IMF Crisis-prompted) right to own our own plot on this peninsula. Strength in numbers, and all that. It's also encouraging to hear that Funplanet encountered no real problems, as that suggests just how much things have improved over a very short period of time. Progress is uneven, though, and others can and do face some hurdles.

It was all but impossible until 7 years ago for us to buy real estate here, and as friends in the legal profession tell me, selling property to a non-Korean was, until fairly recently, a capital offence -- right up there with high treason and mass murder. Shocked (I assume that bit of feel-good legislation was enacted in the heady days following liberation from Japan.) Something to ponder if and when your efforts to purchase property or obtain a bank loan meet with resistance, ignorance, or outright obstructionism.

Again, congrats to Funplanet. He stands as further proof that we can buy property here. In his case, he didn't have to take out a loan, but it's good to note that financing was offered. And being a homeowner, he now has the collateral with which to securitise a bank loan in the future.

Although you didn't take out a loan, Funplanet, might I enquire what the bank's credit check consisted of? I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it went no further than verifying the market value of the property. Assuming I'm correct, that should serve as: (a) encouragement for those wanting to purchase property in Korea but fearing your income is too low to qualify for a loan, and (b) a reality-check for those who assume their high salary means they're in like Flynn.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, forgot to mention, I did buy some property about 18 months ago, but paid cash and do not know what the loan position would have been.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Oh, forgot to mention, I did buy some property about 18 months ago, but paid cash and do not know what the loan position would have been.

Great! The more examples showing that we can and do buy real estate here, the better.

The better for other ex-pats, particularly long-timers and lifers, who've been wanting to purchase a home here, who, given their careers and financial capabilities, really ought to've bought a home by now, but who still seem to view our experiences as something of a fluke. Seven years after the restrictions were lifted, and people still ask me if it's true that we're able to buy real estate here in our own names. They just don't see enough examples.

These lingering doubts are understandable, really, if you look at a breakdown of "foreign property owners" in Korea. Start with the whole, then subtract foreign-owned companies, banks, hotels, embassies, foundations, schools, cultural institutes, etc. Then take out the gyopos, many of whom acquired their property before emigrating or inherited it. Finally, take out the huge number of individual ex-pats who claim to own property, though it's actually in their Korean wife's or husband's name. So, who's left? Are there enough of us to fill a minivan? We're the tiniest fraction of an already small pie.

For those of us who've been here a decade, we've waited long enough for things to improve on this score. If living and working long term in Korea makes sense for you, I think you're cheating yourself if you don't at least explore the opportunity to buy property here.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:

Nearly every foreigner I personally know who is married to a Korean and who has purchased property here since June 1998 did so in their Korean spouse's name. This wasn't necessary, and it's not clear to me that all of them understood that.


Actually, our home is in my wife's name because she can get a mortgage (4.5% per year or so, in case you're interested). All you need is enough money for the downpayment and the home is yours.
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kimchikowboy



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you buy a new apartment, keep in mind that windows are not included. Mad
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchikowboy wrote:
If you buy a new apartment, keep in mind that windows are not included. Mad


Well, only the outermost windows on the veranda, but that's only true with the cheaper apartments. Ours came with the works, and if we had bought it two weeks earlier they would have thrown in a 2300000 won refrigerator for free. In any case, the veranda windows can be installed for a million or two.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners' land purchases in Seoul slow

Foreigners' land acquisition in Seoul slowed for the first time in five years to increase by just 133,980 square meters in 2004, suggesting Korea's depressed real estate market dampened their investment sentiment.

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/01/22/200501220041.asp
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kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
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Well, only the outermost windows on the veranda, but that's only true with the cheaper apartments. Ours came with the works, and if we had bought it two weeks earlier they would have thrown in a 2300000 won refrigerator for free. In any case, the veranda windows can be installed for a million or two.


I don't know what you consider a cheaper apartment, but that hasn't been my experience. I've been to about 30 model homes in the past year or so, and, at least in Daegu, windows are extra. Though perhaps not necessary, everyone gets them. You also have room extensions to make the verandas part of the apartment, which, though technically illegal, many people do. There are even more add-ons involved which are highly recommended, like additional doors in the hall by the elevator to increase inside storage, which drive the price up.
Also, depending on size, windows can run quite a bit more than earlier quoted. For our place, prices are over 4 million
For those considering purchasing a new place (not yet built), one way of lessening the cost is to contact a remodeling company before the place opens. They can use your apartment to show potential customers their work for the first month, and knock 40-50% off your costs in exchange. Another way to cut costs is buy furniture at model houses. They do a drawing of sorts for the display furniture, and you can buy it cheaper than new.
Congrats on your place HWAction. Where is it?
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By saying cheaper, I meant smaller. It's quite possible that ours were thrown in for free because we bought the place in a given amount of time, but all of the apt. in our building already had the veranda windows installed before we bought ours.
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