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Troll_Bait
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Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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From today's Korea Herald (maybe they're on a roll).
Male teacher quota stokes controversy
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The Seoul education authorities' proposal to set a quota for employing male teachers is setting off a new controversy as female teachers and groups attack the measure as sexual discrimination.
The Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education has recently submitted a bill to a committee of nationwide educational superintendents, under which public schools are required to increase the percentage of male teachers to up to 30 percent.
The measure is designed to address the ever widening gender gap among teachers.
According to data by the city education office, women make up 82.3 percent of all teachers at elementary schools. The figure is 67.6 percent at middle schools and 38.9 percent at high schools.
The proposed bill would allow superintendents to set the mandatory percentage of male teachers - up to 30 percent - for public schools within their district, according to Cho Hak-kyu, supervisor of the educational policy division at the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education.
However, female teachers and women's rights groups question the fairness of the measure since a larger number of female teachers pass the examinations for teacher certificates administered by city and provincial education offices.
"Female teachers were able to get into public schools using their skills and abilities whereas male teachers tended to be preferred by private schools," said Han Seong-yu, a language teacher at Wolgye Middle School in Seoul. "The new bill may cause confusion among students who are preparing to become teachers."
The bill has to be approved by the Education Ministry and the Cabinet before it takes effect.
At elementary schools, 82.3 percent of all teachers are female. Women account for 95.6 percent of elementary school teachers under 24 years old, and 45.4 percent of teachers over 60 years old.
A similar trend can be seen at middle schools where 95.4 percent of teachers under 24 years old are female and 22.8 percent of teachers over 60 years old are female.
There are some elementary schools that do not have any male teachers, according to Cho.
"We believe the bill needs to be revised before unbalanced proportions get worse," he said, adding that principals at schools around Seoul tend to do a lot of lobbying to bring the few male teachers to their schools.
"Children will have a better opportunity to discover their specializations when they experience a balanced school life and a curriculum taught by various types of teachers."
By Cho Ji-hyun
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Women account for 95.6 percent of elementary school teachers under 24 years old |
That's because 95% of men under 24 haven't completed both uni and military service requirements. Seriously, how can some Korean reporters be so bloody stupid? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Its funny. When we set quotas to increase the number of women in a field, thats all fine with them, but set a quota for men and its "discrimination". |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The difference is that in Korea prejudice against women is very real. It is not like it is back home. I mean on Korean TV you see the glorification of beating women, prostitution. Why do you think many women have so much plastic surgery here and go into the sex trade? Korea is far behind countries in the West when it comes to education. Also, these men are not being barred from becoming teachers. |
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Col.Brandon
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's not a bad idea. The kids probably don't get to see too much of their fathers, so the only place they're going to find a role model these days is at school.
I mean, who else is going to show the boys how to drink soju, smoke and hock up phlegm? 
No, seriously - it's a good idea. |
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that guy
Joined: 29 Feb 2004
Location: long gone
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreaherald wrote: |
| "Female teachers were able to get into public schools using their skills and abilities whereas male teachers tended to be preferred by private schools," said Han Seong-yu, a language teacher at Wolgye Middle School in Seoul. "The new bill may cause confusion among students who are preparing to become teachers." |
female teachers+skills/abilities=ps job
male teachers+________=private school job
taken together+new policy=confusion
That's some solid logic. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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It seems ridiculous that schools typically have 90% women teachers working there, yet they still invariably have a male principal and vice principal.
Surely women are the most experienced at teaching in this country?? Give them the top jobs. The highest position a woman has attained at my school is head teacher. She can go no further and she knows it.
At least at elementary schools I think women make better teachers- more nurturing and patient with the young kids. At middle or high school I guess it would be different. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't see it.
There isn't a single teacher at my school who is female and under the age of 28. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
It seems ridiculous that schools typically have 90% women teachers working there, yet they still invariably have a male principal and vice principal.
Surely women are the most experienced at teaching in this country?? Give them the top jobs. The highest position a woman has attained at my school is head teacher. She can go no further and she knows it.
At least at elementary schools I think women make better teachers- more nurturing and patient with the young kids. At middle or high school I guess it would be different. |
My school has a female principal and a male vice principal. When I show Koreans my graduation album or school website they think that's so funny and ridiculous that a man would be subordinate to a woman (it is a girls school after all). At a school district function a while back all the HS and MS principals and VPs from every school present came to the front of the gymnasium, and my principal was the only woman amongst 40 or so of them. It's such a pity she got her job through nepotism or she would be such a stunning example of what a Korean woman's achieved on her own. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Its funny. When we set quotas to increase the number of women in a field, thats all fine with them, but set a quota for men and its "discrimination". |
Indeed. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Its funny. When we set quotas to increase the number of women in a field, thats all fine with them, but set a quota for men and its "discrimination". |
Indeed. |
What profession in Korea involves a quota to ensure the employment of women? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
What profession in Korea involves a quota to ensure the employment of women? |
The oldest one. That produces 4% of ROK GDP.
Plenty of job opportunities for Korean women to look forward to.  |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
It seems ridiculous that schools typically have 90% women teachers working there, yet they still invariably have a male principal and vice principal.
Surely women are the most experienced at teaching in this country?? Give them the top jobs. The highest position a woman has attained at my school is head teacher. She can go no further and she knows it.
At least at elementary schools I think women make better teachers- more nurturing and patient with the young kids. At middle or high school I guess it would be different. |
I always thought it was because most of the teachers in the past were male. Also, you get more points for teaching in remote areas, which men are more likely to do. I've personally seen 3 women principals. And, i've also heard of a few women who, for some reason, turned down their principal/vice-principal offers.
Maybe they can introduce a female quota for principals with the male quota for new hires. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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How can they legislate this quota? It's not like men are being refused employment as teachers. Many men simply choose to work in other fields.
Maybe it's not an evil thing. Women tend to "cluster" in certain lines of work. It happens. Get over it. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| male teachers+________=private school job |
The term your looking for is "bribe". My friend says the going rate is 50 mil. |
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