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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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 Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: DIVORCE IS GOOD |
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From Tyler Cowen's column in the NYT:
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In the United States, the availability of divorce has increased with unilateral divorce, which allows either member of the couple to dissolve the union. The change has been associated with lower rates of female suicide and domestic violence, and fewer wives murdered by their husbands. Unilateral divorce shifts the bargaining power to the person who is getting less out of the marriage and thus is most likely to leave. The partner getting more from the marriage has to work harder to keep the other person around, which can be good for the marriage and good for the couple. In other words, unilateral divorce benefits victims and potential victims.
...Unilateral divorce does make for less committed marriages. In states that allow unilateral divorce, a spouse is 10 percent less likely to be putting the partner through school. The obvious fear is that once the costly education is over, the beneficiary will leave the marriage. In states with unilateral divorce, adjusting for the relevant demographics, a couple is 6 percent less likely to have a child. Again, couples seem to be making decisions with the prospect of divorce in the back (or the front) of their minds. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| One clause: no money to the person filing for divorce. Too often the woman will leave a marriage just to get her hands on her husband's money. He could be the best husband in the world. Theres no limit to female greed. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| One clause: no money to the person filing for divorce. Too often the woman will leave a marriage just to get her hands on her husband's money. He could be the best husband in the world. Theres no limit to female greed. |
i see someone's been burned. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| One clause: no money to the person filing for divorce. Too often the woman will leave a marriage just to get her hands on her husband's money. He could be the best husband in the world. Theres no limit to female greed. |
i see someone's been burned. |
No, just realistic about what most women are like. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't marriage vows change?
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to join together these two likely future divorcees.
"I promise to have have and to hold until death do us part, or until one of us changes our minds and wants out.
I promise to pay you half my assets in the almost certain eventuality that we get divorced."
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Shouldn't marriage vows change?
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to join together these two likely future divorcees.
"I promise to have have and to hold until death do us part, or until one of us changes our minds and wants out.
I promise to pay you half my assets in the almost certain eventuality that we get divorced."
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hahahaha! That is SO funny.
How about- Dealry beloved....blah blah- to have and to hold and stay together forever even if she is a cheating golddigger or he is an emotionally vacant loser who gets too drunk and beats the crap out of his wife when dinner isn't on the table at 6 o clock.
does it even matter to you that domestic violence and female suicide has gone down? Do you then propose that for the 'sanctity' of marriage people sacrifice their happiness and health? You want to keep people unhappy to satisfy some non-existant mythical creature or upkeep some bullsh** myth about the good old days?
ugh... |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I just want women not to profit from divorce. |
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jmbran11
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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I make more money than my husband. If we were to divorce in our home state in the U.S. (California), I would have to split our assets (which I mostly paid for) as well as paying him alimony, despite the fact that I spent my youth putting myself through school while he drank his youth away. So, take your idea that women are greedy gold-diggers and shove it up you ass.
This also addresses your other post indicating that women don't develop themselves intellectually. I would bet you my year's salary that I (a woman) am far better-educated than you (presumably a man). However, since your wife married someone like you, she must be a complete moron. So, apparently you prefer your women stupid after all. I hope she's greedy too. You deserve it. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| jmbran11 wrote: |
I make more money than my husband. If we were to divorce in our home state in the U.S. (California), I would have to split our assets (which I mostly paid for) as well as paying him alimony, despite the fact that I spent my youth putting myself through school while he drank his youth away. So, take your idea that women are greedy gold-diggers and shove it up you ass.
This also addresses your other post indicating that women don't develop themselves intellectually. I would bet you my year's salary that I (a woman) am far better-educated than you (presumably a man). However, since your wife married someone like you, she must be a complete moron. So, apparently you prefer your women stupid after all. I hope she's greedy too. You deserve it. |
That was hilarious. Don't get me into trouble at work though for laughing.
But for real, as a smart woman, you have to admit that in GENERAL it is women who benefit more from divorce. Alimony is still seen as a payout to the wife; I've still never heard of a man receiving palimony. While your case may be very true, it's still anomylous as would be any other examples given that mirror your situation. Women still earn less- and are still more likely to act or be seen as victims.
This is why I am a very firm believer in pre-nups. I see them as an act of love. Seriously! |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| jmbran11 wrote: |
I make more money than my husband. If we were to divorce in our home state in the U.S. (California), I would have to split our assets (which I mostly paid for) as well as paying him alimony, despite the fact that I spent my youth putting myself through school while he drank his youth away. So, take your idea that women are greedy gold-diggers and shove it up you ass.
This also addresses your other post indicating that women don't develop themselves intellectually. I would bet you my year's salary that I (a woman) am far better-educated than you (presumably a man). However, since your wife married someone like you, she must be a complete moron. So, apparently you prefer your women stupid after all. I hope she's greedy too. You deserve it. |
haha! Nice one!  Actually, this is similar to my sister's situation. Her lazy alcoholic unemployed partner would take her to the cleaners, and could possibly get custody of her child - even though that lazy arse has rarely lifted a finger to look after him, despite being unemployed most of the kid's life. She worked hard to earn her degree, works hard at her job, and then spends all her free time doing housework and taking care of the kid. She is only with him because she accidently fell pregnant, and does not love him enough to marry him. She only allowed him to stay with her for the sake of her child (felt guilty about removing him from his father) and doesn't need him in her life. In fact she'd be better off with out him, because he doesn't contribute (financially or otherwise) and only lives like a blood sucking parasite, getting boozed up whenever he gets half a chance. But if she kicks him out now, he'll make a nice profit out of it.
| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| Women still earn less |
And this is precisely why most of the time it's the women being awarded money from her husband and not vice versa. When (if) women ever achieve financial equality in the workforce, things will even out. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| jmbran11 wrote: |
I make more money than my husband. If we were to divorce in our home state in the U.S. (California), I would have to split our assets (which I mostly paid for) as well as paying him alimony, despite the fact that I spent my youth putting myself through school while he drank his youth away. So, take your idea that women are greedy gold-diggers and shove it up you ass.
This also addresses your other post indicating that women don't develop themselves intellectually. I would bet you my year's salary that I (a woman) am far better-educated than you (presumably a man). However, since your wife married someone like you, she must be a complete moron. So, apparently you prefer your women stupid after all. I hope she's greedy too. You deserve it. |
Oh look, the braniac lost her temper. I could make a thread about women's lack of self control and emotional retardation....but why bother? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| ... She is only with him because she accidently fell pregnant, and does not love him enough to marry him... |
"accidently fell pregnant"
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| Women still earn less |
And this is precisely why most of the time it's the women being awarded money from her husband and not vice versa. When (if) women ever achieve financial equality in the workforce, things will even out. |
Marriage More Expensive for Man
Chosun Ilbo (March 27, 2001)
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200011/200011230330.html
"grooms spent an average of W96 million while the brides put up around W33 million"
Source:
Marriage Costs Koreans an Arm and a Leg
Chosun Ilbo (February 23, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200602/200602230027.html
Wives Found Far Richer than their Spouses
Chosun Ilbo (March 21, 2001)
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200102/200102150006.html
More Women Keep Secret Stash of Money
Chosun Ilbo (June 6, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200506/200506060001.html
Most Women Quit Work to Get Married
Chosun Ilbo (March 22, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200603/200603220029.html
Many Dads Unknowingly Raising Others' Kids
Increase in paternity testing reveals 1 in 25 men raising children not their own, study says
By Steven Reinberg, HealthDay (August 11, 2005)
http://www.healthday.com/view.cfm?id=527353
Women taking lead in filing for divorce
JoongAng Daily July 01, 2005
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200506/30/200506302309010009900090409041.html
Many marriages today are 'til debt do us part
By Kathy Chu, USA TODAY (April 28, 2006)
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/basics/2006-04-27-couples-cash-series_x.htm
Why men earn more than women
Marty Nemko
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/career/20050307a1.asp
The 76-cent myth
Do women make less than men? The wage-gap ratio isn't the best gauge for pay discrimination, and overemphasizing it can undermine an important issue.
By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com. (February 21, 2006)
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm
"Does success make women less marriageable to men? In some cases, the answer is yes: Most women like to 'marry up,' and that is harder to do if a woman is on the top floor of her profession."
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Lonely at the top
By Cheryl Wetzstein, THE WASHINGTON TIMES (December 13, 2005)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/culture/20051212-103116-1924r.htm
Successful women begrudge husbands who earn less, study claims
by BETH HALE, The Daily Mail (November 29, 2006)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=419488&in_page_id=1879
"Teenage boys still spend more money on dates than their girlfriends, the creeping progress of gender equality in other fields notwithstanding, a poll shows. The Chosun Ilbo conducted a survey of 170,000 debit card users between 18 and 20 on how much and where they use them. Unlike credit cards, debit cards prevent recklessly lavish spending by people in their teens and 20s who live on allowances by parents since they only work when there are funds in the account. The most striking finding was that male respondents said they used the cards for their girlfriends while the female users spend the money on themselves."
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Teenage Boys Spend Money on Girls -- and so Do Girls
Chosun Ilbo (November 13, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200611/200611130007.html |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| I just want women not to profit from divorce. |
Ha!
If a woman gets a divorce and has custody of the children, money most definitely has to be in the equation. Do you have any idea how expensive childcare is in the United States? And also don't forget that even if there are no children, who do you think cleaned the house, did the laundry, and cooked dinner ON TOP of working?
Somehow I'm not thinking it's the man in most cases.... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Child support and alimony are quite different. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| I just want women not to profit from divorce. |
Do you have any idea how expensive childcare is in the United States? And also don't forget that even if there are no children, who do you think cleaned the house, did the laundry, and cooked dinner ON TOP of working?
Somehow I'm not thinking it's the man in most cases.... |
Cost of raising a child
Babycenter
http://www.babycenter.com/costofchild/costs.jhtml?_requestid=192249
Paternity fraud rampant in U.S.
30% of those named as fathers bilked of child support unjustly
WorldNetDaily.com (Posted: February 18, 2006)
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48871 |
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