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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: WHAT LIBERALS LIKE EDWARDS "JUST CAN'T GET" |
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Jonathan Edwards is running out of the kitchen. Evidently, it's just too hot for the pretty boy to deal with.
From the AP wire:
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Edwards to skip Fox News debate MIKE BAKER, Fri Apr 6
Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards on Friday pulled out of a second debate co-hosted by Fox News Channel, saying the cable network has a conservative slant. The Edwards campaign said it will not attend the Sept. 23 debate hosted by Fox News and the Congressional Black Caucus Institute, but officials added that Edwards will participate in a different debate hosted by the institute and CNN. "We believe there's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda while pretending they're objective," said Jonathan Prince, Edwards' deputy campaign manager. It's the second time Edwards has decided to skip a debate because of its affiliation with Fox News. Edwards decided in March that he would pass on an Aug. 14 debate in Reno, Nev., co-hosted by Fox News and the Nevada Democratic Party. The Nevada Democratic Party canceled that debate just days after the Edwards announcement, citing comments by Fox News President Roger Ailes that the party found offensive. Ailes had made a joke comparing the name of Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), D-Ill., to that of Osama bin Laden. Online activists and bloggers have assailed Democratic leaders who have tried to work with Fox News, saying the cable news network is biased. The Democratic National Committee has sanctioned six debates before the 2008 primary season, but it has snubbed the Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate. |
The last time I checked the Black Caucus was solidly Democratic now that J.C. Watts of Oklahoma has retired. But I guess that doesn't matter because Edwards is afraid of the big bad wolf--er--fox.
Isn't it amusing in a pathetic sort of way how liberal politicians can talk about CNN as if this cable network is absolutely objective in its news coverage while chastising Fox for being biased?!
Let me clue you in, DavyofWaunakee and all the other die-hard liberals on this forum: ALL NEWS CHANNELS REFLECT SOME BIAS (just as all research has its biases).
The other day CNN ran an interview with Gore Vidal, who is more anti-Bush than Michael Moore. Of all the older American writers they could have chosen from to interview, they chose Vidal. Naw, no bias reflected in that coverage.
I used to respect Edwards, even though I disagree with him on many issues. Now I'm beginning to see that he's another wimp like Dukakis. Aunt Bee, help!
Go ahead, liberals, try to explain away this media move...I'm waiting. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: WHAT LIBERALS LIKE EDWARDS "JUST CAN'T GET" |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
ALL NEWS CHANNELS REFLECT SOME BIAS |
Uhh... DUH?
The media is biased towards one thing only: Money.
It was more entertaining for the "liberal media" to jump all over Gore's stiffness and internet claims in the 90s. They got money from people tuning into it.
However, the Bush administration doing away with silly things like due process and taking control of the national guard is boring. Nobody tunes into news like that, and never gets mentioned.
Fox News understands the appeal of yellow journalism, and understands that the right will always eat it up. That's why they bias towards the neo-con viewership.
CNN approaches it by trying to not offend anyone with real news stories. They bias towards your mom.
And after 9/11, all of them were waving the flag and beating the drums of war in unison because that's what would get them a nice pay-day.
Long and the short of it, Steveo: You've based your views on false assumptions. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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twg:
Long and short of it is that you are a perennial cynic who assigns an ulterior motive of profit and other selfish gain to all human conduct and in almost neo-Marxist manner.
The point, which you obviously missed, is that liberals have grown so accustomed to the mainstream media leaning to the left that when it doesn't they cry foul without reflecting on the biases that existed before FoxNews existed. Bernard Goldberg, himself a former CBS correspondent, has written at length on this subject.
I suggest you read him when you're tired of making your little cartoons. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Long and short of it is that you are a perennial cynic who assigns an ulterior motive of profit and other selfish gain to all human conduct |
And you have just proved you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, but that doesn't surprise anyone on this board. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Octavius wrote:
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And you have just proved you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, but that doesn't surprise anyone on this board. |
What kind of gibberish is this? Could you be any more vague and misdirected in your replies?  |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: Re: WHAT LIBERALS LIKE EDWARDS "JUST CAN'T GET" |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
ALL NEWS CHANNELS REFLECT SOME BIAS |
That's common knowledge, stevemcgarrett, but it doesn't justify descent into relativism.
Anyway, the issue is not simply 'bias'; rather, Fox News quite blatantly plays Pravda for the GOP, yet has the temerity to call itself 'fair and balanced'. 'We report, you decide' is another good one. It's a dedicated propaganda channel, which is fine - free speech and all - but it pretends to objectivity. Here's an analysis of some Fox internal memos that demonstrate clear partisan bias.
And really, you have to start wondering what the hell is going on when a study in Political Science Quarterly finds that Fox viewers hold demonstrably false beliefs about world affairs at a rate considerably higher than people who get their news from other sources. Is this Fox's fault, or are Fox viewers just stupider than average? This survey, which shows that Fox viewership correlates with support for Bush more strongly than any other single factor - not race, religion, stance on gun control, support for the Iraq war, etc - suggests the latter, but it's difficult to draw strong conclusions at this point. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm kind of with Steve on this one. And Dennis Kucinich, the most left-leaning of the Democratic contenders, has expressed his own willingness to appear on FOX.
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Dennis Kucinich, now denied one of his few shots at a national audience, was the only Democratic candidate who spoke out against the cancellation.
"If you want to be the President of the United States, you can't be afraid to deal with people with whom you disagree politically," Kucinich said. "No one is further removed from Fox's political philosophy than I am, but fear should not dictate decisions that affect hundreds of millions of Americans and billions of others around the world who are starving for real leadership."
"I'm prepared to discuss the war, health care, trade, or any other issue anytime, anywhere, with any audience, answering any question from any media. And any candidate who won't shouldn't be President of the United States."
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http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=174222 |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Listen I'm with Kuchinich as well, Bill Clinton went on FOX and kicked the shiite out of Chris Wallace and rallied the Dem's to his cause. He showed they could go into the fox's house and kick him in the teeth and win.
As for you steve, you said:
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Long and short of it is that you are a perennial cynic who assigns an ulterior motive of profit and other selfish gain to all human conduct |
Almost all of human conduct (at least "great" conduct) has been driven by the desire for wealth, control and power. This is a FACT. Only self-dellusional wingnuts convince themselves otherwise. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: ... |
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DOES THAT MEAN FOXNEWS ISN'T FAIR AND BALANCED? |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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DOES THAT MEAN FOXNEWS ISN'T FAIR AND BALANCED? |
No, it just means they don't know what the hell they are doing...
Meaning, they listen to the boys above who react in the moment, at the moment and who don't know what the hell they are doing.....
It isn't only money, stupidity is a decidingly common factor in many forms of such disengenious media. This is also known as the Newtonian law of gravity or dumbing down...
With us or against us.
Liberal or RIGHT
Green or Red White or Blue
Moral rejects or Family Values
Terrorist or True blue
Many more, take your pick.
DD |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: Re: WHAT LIBERALS LIKE EDWARDS "JUST CAN'T GET" |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Jonathan Edwards is running out of the kitchen. Evidently, it's just too hot for the pretty boy to deal with...
Let me clue you in, DavyofWaunakee and all the other die-hard liberals on this forum: ALL NEWS CHANNELS REFLECT SOME BIAS |
Fox News is not biased. It is a propaganda organ of the neo-cons. There is no legitimacy in calling the channel "news" because it is not. The news is reportage, not propaganda.
Case closed.
If you had any legitimacy as a poster here, you would disavow Fox "News" even if you didn't change your views an iota. Your positions should be arguable based on the facts and the internal logic of your arguments based on your beliefs. False news has no place in honest debate. By supporting Fox, you show yourself to be someone to be disregarded as a fool.
Shut up, troll. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
I'm kind of with Steve on this one. And Dennis Kucinich, the most left-leaning of the Democratic contenders, has expressed his own willingness to appear on FOX.
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Dennis Kucinich, now denied one of his few shots at a national audience, was the only Democratic candidate who spoke out against the cancellation.
"If you want to be the President of the United States, you can't be afraid to deal with people with whom you disagree politically," Kucinich said. "No one is further removed from Fox's political philosophy than I am, but fear should not dictate decisions that affect hundreds of millions of Americans and billions of others around the world who are starving for real leadership."
"I'm prepared to discuss the war, health care, trade, or any other issue anytime, anywhere, with any audience, answering any question from any media. And any candidate who won't shouldn't be President of the United States."
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It's not an issue of fear, it's an issue of legitimacy. Fox News is not news. It is propaganda. By agreeing to a debate run by them, you are saying they are a legitimate organ of news reporting. They are not. They are nothing more than a propaganda outlet. Let those with no mind watch it, but don't grant it any form of implied legitimacy. It is not news. It is political disinfotainment. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Foxnews certainly reflects a right-wing point of view, but propaganda? Come on. Turn down the rhetoric. I see them more of a right-wing equivalent of the CBC in Canada.
The CBC, which survives partially on government funding, could be one of the most biased channels in North America. This is a station(CBC main network and Newsworld) where 40% of its journalists are proclaimed NDP supporters(a party which rarely receives more than 13% in the polls) and Michael Moore documentaries seem to be aired on a weekly bases. There is no balance, there are no right-of-centre shows or documentaries. The facts are overwhelming here.
Now, CNN isn't as bad as the CBC but still undoubtedly tilts to the left. Foxnews not only balances CNN, among other networks, but also the daily newspapers, which are largely left-wing. Labeling Foxnews as propaganda while claiming that all of the big left-wing outlets are just slightly biased is irresponsible. The left always tends to make themselves feel better by labeling anything "right-wing" as propaganda, rather than just a differing point of view. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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EFLTrainer:
Good news for you! Rabies shots are now available for advanced cases of leftist hyperbole. So you can stop foaming at the mouth now.
TO ALL LEFTWING NUTS ON THIS FORUM:
NEWSFLASH:
I don't get all my news from Fox. I don't even have it on my cable. And if you think CNN doesn't lean left, well, it only means you're too far left to realize which way the boat tilts.
I also listen to NPR online and read The Christian Science Monitor.
When I was able to access Fox in the States I noticed one thing quite different from most CNN and alphabet channels: they actually tried to put people with opposing views on during news commentary segments. So how is that propaganda?
I watch CNN and CNN International almost every day and I seldom get opposing views. Usually its a liberal and the moderator or correspondent, who is also liberal.
You are blinded by your own biases. At least I acknowledge mine.
Read Bernard Goldberg's book on media arrogance and get back to me. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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FOX is the mouth-piece of the Bush administration. That news network has completely lost all credibility awhile ago already. |
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