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confuzed
Joined: 01 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: .. |
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shifdog
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The big companies also rip you off. You have to be careful teaching anywhere in Korea. |
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JAWINSEOUL
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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I know many hogwan owners that are honest and hard working. I�ve met dozens through friends that have treated their employees with respect. I�m sorry if you have had bad experiences, but don�t belittle the owners that have made sacrifices to keep their foreign teacher happy.
Perhaps you should within for the issue  |
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faster

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| I worked at a great hagwon for 4 1/2 years, lived in Hongdae, worked in Mok-dong, small classes, knew my kids personally, taught some for the entire time, got paid on time, and didn't deal with any beaurocracy or government dictates. It was great. |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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To all new teachers looking for a job in Korea, stay away from all Hogwons, unless you want to have problems.
What is the difference between a hogwon and a large company? I work at a large company here in Busan but we still refer to ourselves as a hogron.
Do larger companies use another title?
Should your statement read, "if you work at a hogwon, work at a large company"? |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Thats right all Hakwons are bad.
That makes perfect sense. |
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ron_j

Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| i'm looking into working for a hagwon. I know the director is good. However, with my teacher's cert..they're only offering me 2.1 without housing. I figured I'd be taking the good with the bad by having a reliable pay check..but no housing? That's a lot out of my pocket. Is having a good director worth it? |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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F--K That.
Period. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| ron_j wrote: |
| i'm looking into working for a hagwon. I know the director is good. However, with my teacher's cert..they're only offering me 2.1 without housing. I figured I'd be taking the good with the bad by having a reliable pay check..but no housing? That's a lot out of my pocket. Is having a good director worth it? |
No. 2.1 without housing is like 1.7 or 1.8 with housing (depending on the neighborhood, it could be even less). And with a teacher's cert? No way. |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Stay away from Hogwons |
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| confuzed wrote: |
To all new teachers looking for a job in Korea, stay away from all Hogwons, unless you want to have problems. Most teacher that work at Hogwons successfully have been teaching for a while and have some experience in knowing how to deal with corrupt bosses, but if you are new to Korea forget about it. Go with a larger company where your guaranteed your monthly pay on time and your severance pay. Too many people get screwed out of this and end up getting fired a month before.
Yes I know most of you know this already but this post is for people that are new coming to Korea. I wish we could put these holes out of business.
Hogwon owner= ASS
Hogwon = HOLE |
To all new teachers who have read this far, the OP (original poster) has not (to my knowledge...correct me if I'm wrong, OP!) conducted a survey nor otherwise sampled the general population of hagwan teachers. The OP is likely going off his/her own experience and that of some other teachers he/she knows, plus what he/she may have read on Dave's. Note that people post when they have problems, and not nearly as often when things are going well.
My hagwan pays very, very well for a first timer, and even better for someone with experience. Our apartments are not studios. We have tubs in our bathrooms. Our hagwan owner is honest, and administration listens to foreigners' issues and considers them before making decisions.
So to all prospective teachers out there, remember that each person's opinion is just one opinion, including my own. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| faster wrote: |
| I worked at a great hagwon for 4 1/2 years, lived in Hongdae, worked in Mok-dong, small classes, knew my kids personally, taught some for the entire time, got paid on time, and didn't deal with any beaurocracy or government dictates. It was great. |
I had a similar great 3.5 years at a hagwon on Geoje, and the guy right before me got his bonus and spoke of all the great things I indeed came to experience there, and the guy after me just told me his year there was good and he is leaving with his bonus, happy with the experience.
And I'm happy at the hagwon I'm at now, preparing to re-sign for another year.
Plus I've met plenty of happy hagwon teachers. In fact, based on those I meet, the biggest gripers seem to be public school teachers unhappy with their coteachers or textbook or staff or accommodations.
I think the amount of bad hagwons is a minority, a significant minority, but a minority nonetheless (10%-20%). That adds up to a lot of legit complaints, which overshadows (especially online) the voice of those enjoying themselves, many of whom don't share that fact so much. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I have worked at 4 different hagwons...
I would have called all of them pretty good work places where I have never been paid late(bar one severance but that wasn't my wonjangs fault) and have never had any hassles except for the minor ones i would encounter anywhere.....
The one i work at now is faultless. the owner works hard and makes sure you do too, but she pays well, and goes out of her way to help you with any problem you have big or small....I will stick with my current director over a big company or public school any day of the week. |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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I worked at a hagwon for a year. now finishing up at a public ele for a year. really considering going back to a haggie. won't argue the plus and minuses of each job, there are enough of those threads.
my haggie was pretty good. There were some bad points, but I really soured the relationship by not underatanding the way business relationships work here. Plus, I was a suck a$$ teacher. Didn't know it at the time either.
There are some f'ed hagwons, but i wouldn't tell a newbie not to go for one. instead, I'd say, learn how sheyat works instead. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Hogwon owner= ASS
Hogwon = HOLE |
Close to the truth.
BTW- how did that word make it through the curseword filter? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
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Hogwon owner= ASS
Hogwon = HOLE |
Close to the truth.
BTW- how did that word make it through the curseword filter? |
The word "ass" isn't filtered. Otherwise, every assume, Cass, pass, lass, and molasses would be *bleep*ed. Meanwhile, a word like cock just affects a few other words, like cocktail and Joe Cocker, so it gets filtered. We won't even go into the *beep* and *beep* words. |
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